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roachboy · 10-01-2005, 07:06 AM

obviously blame for some of the great fiascos of the past 50 years would have to be shared by the entire political class--vietnam, iraq, etc..
perhaps if we thought about this kind of history long enough, we might conclude that there is something rotten about the system as a whole.

seriously--you would think that there must be some point past which incompetence and falsification and the squandering of thousands of lives would become an issue for the order that set all into motion--and by an issue, i mean a legitimacy problem, not just for the individuals in charge at a given time, responsible for a particular fiasco, but for the american political order as a whole.

better this way, i guess--"my guy is more venal than your guy"
the order itself is always neutral in this game.
problems are always generateed by individual bad eggs.
kind of like how stalin thought about soviet industry--the system is perfect--what goes wrong is explainable by the actions of a few million bad eggs.

do we get to stick our tongues out at each other too?
say nyah nyah, make finger antlers for ourselves and wag them at each other---that kind of thing?
what more is to be accomplished by this kind of thread?--except maybe wondering how it is that similar kinds of corruption seems to emerge in almost every presidency--maybe the problem really is systemic.

but if that is true, how are arguments across versions of conservative politics (rep/dem) not simply diversion?

10-01-2005, 07:06 AM	#19 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	obviously blame for some of the great fiascos of the past 50 years would have to be shared by the entire political class--vietnam, iraq, etc.. perhaps if we thought about this kind of history long enough, we might conclude that there is something rotten about the system as a whole. seriously--you would think that there must be some point past which incompetence and falsification and the squandering of thousands of lives would become an issue for the order that set all into motion--and by an issue, i mean a legitimacy problem, not just for the individuals in charge at a given time, responsible for a particular fiasco, but for the american political order as a whole. better this way, i guess--"my guy is more venal than your guy" the order itself is always neutral in this game. problems are always generateed by individual bad eggs. kind of like how stalin thought about soviet industry--the system is perfect--what goes wrong is explainable by the actions of a few million bad eggs. do we get to stick our tongues out at each other too? say nyah nyah, make finger antlers for ourselves and wag them at each other---that kind of thing? what more is to be accomplished by this kind of thread?--except maybe wondering how it is that similar kinds of corruption seems to emerge in almost every presidency--maybe the problem really is systemic. but if that is true, how are arguments across versions of conservative politics (rep/dem) not simply diversion? __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 10-01-2005 at 07:13 AM..