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Old 09-28-2005, 02:15 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Lebell
Can we all please take this as a lesson that we shouldn't be quite as reactionary as I saw many people be after Katrina?

Yeah, it was bad.

Yeah, it could have been done much better.

But apparently it wasn't as bad as the media (and the NO city officials) led us all to believe.

I think alot of you owe Bush an appology.............
Lebell, I think that I correctly perceive what you are trying to accomplish here, and I don't think that it will work....because it doesn't change anything. Bush marketed himself, along with Cheney, as the "war president", the "if you vote for Kerry, we'll get hit", ADMINISTRATION. (Insert whatever threat most alarms you, after the word "hit".... another anthrax attack, bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Zarqawi....whatever.

The hurricane blew away Bush's facade. Exagerated "reports" of crimes that allegedly took place in NOLA, a few days after Katrina and the levee failures won't change that. While we were at war....the nation finally is discovering that it was "business as usual" at the Bush white house, incompetent crony appointments to responsible positions that potentially impacted the safety of our citizens, insider profiteering while we are a "nation at war", and the news of a thirty percent poverty rate in the area affected by Katrina, left Bush with the lowest approval rating of his presidency, as the flood waters receded. People may have "bought" Bush and Rice's "no one could have predicted that highjackers would fly airliners into buildings", pronouncements, four years ago, but Bush's attempt to use the same "no one could have known that the levees.....blah blah blah" diversion, did not seem as convincing this time......

I don't owe Bush an apology. He should resign, or at least appoint a non-partisan investigative body to make an honest assessment of the failure to provide timely federal relief, that he and the officials that he appointed, presided over, and that he supposedly accepted responsibility for.
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/...ion/edkalb.php
A hurricane strips off Bush's teflon
By Marvin Kalb International Herald Tribune

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2005

.......Shepard Smith of Fox News, usually the most reliably pro-Bush network, unashamedly wore his heart on his sleeve, as he pummeled government officials with questions they found impossible to answer. "When is help coming for these people?" Smith demanded. "Is there going to be help? I mean, they're very thirsty." Before Katrina, Smith would never have been so confrontational........
It's already been attempted....the discrediting of news reporting from the right, by the right....and it isn't working. Here's a lame example:
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http://www.aim.org/aim_report/4023_0_4_0_C/
......The Left Likes Fox

Some on the left were impressed by all of this: "When Fox reporters are the most emphatically critical of the Bush administration, you know something is going on," said liberal commentator Russ Baker.

It may have been nothing more than a few reporters deciding to make a name for themselves by becoming a major part of their own stories. Or it could have been as simple as cable news reporters who had been covering the alleged incompetence of Aruban author-ities in the Natalee Holloway case deciding to apply that template to Katrina. ........
Are you accusing the BBC of "Bush bashing"? Do they owe Bush, "an apology" for this NOLA report? Do you think that their editors had some sort of an agenda that included a goal of distorting their reporting to somehow make Bush "look bad" ? How do reports this week that there were exaggerated press reports of violent crime in NOLA, around Sept.2 , influence a conclusion that vindicates Bush?

Since then, we've learned that the white house appointee in charge of FEMA disaster spending oversight, is an indicted suspect, accused of lying to GSA investigators and has strong ties to indicted lobbyist, Jack Abramoff. We've seen reports that a Bush appointee who sat a few offices away from the president, in the white house, Susan Ralston, who held the title of special assisatant to both Bush and Karl Rove, Bush's most influential political and policy advisor, screened all of Rove's calls, and submitted the names of Rove's callers to a non-government republican party official, Grover Norquist, also involved in questionable business deals with Abramoff, and that before her appointment by Bush, in 2001, she was a key assistant to Abramoff himself, and that she testified before the grand jury investigating the Plame CIA leak.

We've read news reports that a Mr. Flanigan, a former key white house associate who reported to then white house Alberto Gonzales, is nominated for the number 2 position in the justice dept., and that he authorized payment of large sums to Abramoff, when Flanigan recently worked for TYCO, because of Abramoff's influence with high ranking white house and other powerful Republican politicians. The latest on the Flanigan appointment:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092701593.html
It should also be noted that as assistant Atty General of the US, Flanigan would oversee Plame leak investigator Patrick Fitzgerald, and he would have the authority to fire Fitzgerald, because Gonzales has recused himself.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4207944.stm
Friday, 2 September 2005,
Refugees tell tales of horror
Mothers scrape out their babies' nappies so they may be used again.

A woman cries as she tries to assist the elderly lady she cares for

At the New Orleans' Superdome stadium, refugees describe piles of faeces, knee-high, after the toilets overflowed and people were forced to relieve themselves on staircases.

At least seven bodies are scattered outside the city's convention centre.

People sheltering at New Orleans' main refuges say they have been robbed of their humanity.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at a woman who lay dead in her wheelchair outside the convention centre.

"We pee on the floor. We are like animals," 25-year-old Taffany Smith told the Los Angeles Times, cradling her three-week-old son in the Superdome stadium.

Up to 20,000 refugees from the devastation wreaked by Hurricane Katrina have been corralled into each building.

This is where they were told to come, but the authorities were woefully unprepared for the arrival of such numbers, who include the very young, the very old, and the very infirm.

Pervading stench

For days they have been without adequate electricity, sanitation, or food supplies waiting to be taken from what many describe as a scene from hell.


We got dead bodies sitting next to us for days. I feel like I am going to die
Thomas Jessie

All who have been inside the Superdome speak of the pervading stench of human waste.

Amid the deteriorating conditions at both refuges, horrific stories are emerging.

At the Superdome there were two reports of rape, one involving a child, while police at the convention centre said there had been similar reported incidents.

Others described what it was like to live among the dead.

"We got dead bodies sitting next to us for days. I feel like I am going to die. People are going to kill you for water," Thomas Jessie, a 31-year-old roofer, told the AFP news agency after spending the night in the convention centre........
The following are three more Fox News produced segments that reinforce my point that the American news network that inarguably is most sympathetic and supportive of the Bush administration, the network whose news reporting was endorsed by VP Cheney for it's "accuracy"....could not avoid reporting how "bad it was", because it was "that bad".
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168328,00.html
Leadership Vacuum
Friday, September 02, 2005
By Brian Kilmeade

What can you say now — as opposed to earlier in the week — about the nation's worst natural disaster? A lot! Why? Because so much changes from day to day about the damage that Hurricane Katrina (search) inflicted on four states.

What has caught me most by surprise is the crime. The stories emerging from the Superdome (search) are sickening. Who would think gangsters would terrorize, rape and rob displaced fellow Americans? Even the terrorists in Indonesia (search) shelved their hate for aid after the tsunami.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168308,00.html
Desperation in New Orleans
Friday, September 02, 2005

This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," September 1, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

...........O'REILLY: All right, hang on the line, because we, Mr. Shelnutt, because we're going to talk now to Mr. Cowan of Homeland Security in Louisiana.

Now where's the National Guard, Mr. Cowan? I mean, what is the problem getting the troops into the Quarter to protect the folks? You would — I would think that they would have been on standby because the storm was forecast a few days in advance. And now we're in Thursday, four days after the fact. Still not on the street in great numbers. What's the problem?

LT. KEVIN COWAN, LOUISIANA HOMELAND SECURITY & EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS: Well, Bill, they're out on the streets. However, the magnitude of this storm, the relief efforts we were trying to do, the search and rescue we were trying to execute, the evacuation security at the shelters we were executing put a tremendous strain on the Guard.

We're catching up. We're bringing in extra forces. We've got 300 riflemen from the Arkansas National Guard that are moving in. And more troops are following in.

O'REILLY: What was the.

COWAN: I just have to tell you, you just caught us off guard.

O'REILLY: No, look, I - but why - that's — everybody wants to know why did it catch you off guard, because you got a Category 5 bearing down on you. You would think that the governor would have every guardsman in the state on alert, as well as all the state police to come in in case there was a catastrophe that ensued.

You know, it seems that you guys are a little behind the curve here. But maybe I'm wrong.

COWAN: Well, we are getting there. I mean, behind the curve, maybe so. But we're trying to catch up. The water's still there. We're trying to execute the search and rescue still.

O'REILLY: What was the initial deployment of National Guard into New Orleans? Do you know what the initial deployment was?

COWAN: The initial deployment was around 2,000.

O'REILLY: Yes. You see, it should have been five times that with a city of 1.5 million. I don't want to be a Monday morning quarterback, but I want Mr. Shellnut to get out of there alive. By this time tomorrow night we'll be on the air. You see the situation better, sir?

COWAN: Yes, I do. I see more forces moving in. I see more people evacuated out of the city.

O'REILLY: All right. We appreciate it, Mr. Cowan. Thanks very much.

Let's go to Shepard Smith, who's been there from the beginning. Do we have Shepard? Can you - OK.

SMITH: I can hear you, Bill.

O'REILLY: Are you seeing any improvement at all, Shepard, from your vantage point?

SMITH: I hear a lot more noise overhead. I see a lot more choppers. I see more supplies going into the Superdome. I see more people evacuating from the Superdome. That's about it.

O'REILLY: OK. Now would it be fair to say that Louisiana and federal authorities were behind the curve, as we just discussed with Mr. Cowan? Because to me if you've got a Category 5 bearing down, you've got your guard, you've got your state police all ready to go. It doesn't look like the state had that.

SMITH: I wouldn't pass judgment, Bill, on whether they were ready. But I can tell you, this city slipped almost immediately into chaos. And when you thought chaos couldn't get worse, it did get worse. The people who - the haves of this city, the movers and shakers of this city, evacuated the city either immediately before or immediately after the storm. And immediately after that, those criminals went in and looted everything in the entire city.

And because of that, you wonder why those with would come back because they no longer have. And those others certainly won't come back.

O'REILLY: Well, you know, what I — from what I'm hearing, this looting was fairly - you know, it's not an organized thing like organized crime. But these people didn't want to leave.

SMITH: It's widespread, Bill.

O'REILLY: Right. But they didn't want to leave because they sensed there might have been an opportunity to do what they eventually did, if they stayed behind knowing.

SMITH: I'm guessing.

O'REILLY: Go ahead.

SMITH: I was going to say I'm guessing that that's the case in large part. And I also know, because I've witnessed it, Bill, that people who came out of the water, were dropped onto the interstate. There's never an excuse for looting someone's house for God's sake.

O'REILLY: No.

SMITH: But these people have sat on bridges and interstates for days and days and days on end with no food, no instructions, no hope of any kind, with dead people around them, with babies. There was frustration and mounting chaos. Bill, it's been crazy here beyond description.

O'REILLY: No, I understand.

SMITH: That excuses nothing any of them did.

O'REILLY: I'm trying to figure out, you know, so if it ever happens again, we could be more prepared — but it looks like, I think to be fair, the Louisiana governor's office and authorities did not anticipate anything like this.

SMITH: I know they lost control immediately.

O'REILLY: Very, very bad.

SMITH: They lost control immediately, and to this moment have not regained it.

O'REILLY: Now the — we saw a dead guy we used in a collage coming into this segment. Do you know anything about him? What he died of? I mean, it was very disturbing to see him lying there on the bridge.

SMITH: It's very disturbing in the United States of America to see a corpse on the side of an interstate highway. It's not - it's the interstate. It's not a bridge. It's just an elevated highway lying there. Police passing.

Now - and you can't fault them. They have to go try to save the savable. But corpses are all over this city. In the water. They're floating in the open around the Convention Center. They're everywhere.

The disaster here, I - we - I said to you the first night of this storm that I didn't think we still knew the scope of this. Bill, to this day, I still don't think we know the scope of this.

O'REILLY: Yes, I think you're right.

SMITH: I want to say this. In my wildness dreams, I cannot conjure up a vision of this city rebuilt. I'm not saying they can't do it.

O'REILLY: No, they'll do it.

SMITH: I'm not saying they won't make a Herculean effort.

O'REILLY: Shepard, they'll do it. You'll see.

SMITH: You haven't seen this, Bill.

O'REILLY: No, they'll do it. They will. But that's not what I'm worried about now.

SMITH: OK (INAUDIBLE) more than I do, but I'd be surprised.

O'REILLY: And we want to save the savable. Is martial law in effect there? I don't know why that isn't in effect. You know, martial law, shoot looters on site.

SMITH: Martial law comes from the United States Congress. Well, the martial law comes from the United States Congress. It is a complicated process.

You may remember in the very early going, the president of Jefferson Parish declared what he called martial law. Of course it wasn't martial law, but it was reported as martial law because the president of the parish said it.

Jefferson Parish, to my understanding, has not had the problems that Orleans Parish and the city of New Orleans have had. How it was that on the first day of this — after this storm that the decision was made to allow the looting to continue while they tried to rescue people, I don't know how that decision was made. We haven't been able to get an answer.

O'REILLY: How about a curfew? Is there a curfew?

SMITH: There's absolutely a curfew. There was a curfew on the first night of the storm. We had the storm blow in. And you remember I was out on the street in front of the - right on Bourbon Street, doing a report for you before the water rose.

(AUDIO GAP)

SMITH: Behind me, the dacari bar was open that night. The curfew was on, yet people were all over the streets.

O'REILLY: Yes.

SMITH: Police weren't trying to get them off the streets. New Orleans has an attitude of let's go. And I remember saying to you also that night, Bill, kind of feels like the party might be on by the weekend.

O'REILLY: Yes.

SMITH: We had no idea what was going on beyond our little world there.

O'REILLY: Well, I can't blame the local authorities. They had nowhere to put these thugs.

SMITH: No.

O'REILLY: If you shoot them down in the street, you're going to have people screaming and yelling. But the lack of National Guard presence four days after this thing happened, that is very disturbing, Shepard.

As Mr. Shelnutt said.

SMITH: Most inexplicable things.

O'REILLY: Right. I mean, if we get a terror attack and you can't get the Guard in there, it's really scary.

All right Shepard, excellent work. I hope you win the highest journalism award ever. And we will check back as events warrant. ............
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168324,00.html
Topics and Guests for September 1
Friday, September 02, 2005

Weekdays at 3 p.m. in the East and high noon in the West!

The news begins anew with "Studio B"...

The evacuation of the New Orleans Superdome is disrupted Thursday after a gun shot reportedly is fired at a military helicopter as thousands of National Guard troops poured into the Big Easy to boost security in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Team FOX is live from the storm-battered region with the very latest. Stay tuned to FOX News for continuing coverage of Katrina's devastating aftermath.
The BBC and Fox had no agenda other than to report about the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, in NOLA. Bush is not somehow vindicated to the point that he deserves an apology. The MSM reports show that he stacked top FEMA management with unqualified political appointees, that he is still making appointments of unqualified or of persons of questionable character to key postions, (Flanigan as asst. atty general, and Julie Myers, niece of Gen. Myers, as director of immigration and naturalization) and that Bush and Rove have ties to indicted former lobbyist Abramoff that include appointing his former key assistant, Susan Ralston, to a position with duties that include sharing the names of callers to Karl Rove, with Norquist, who has no security clearance and is not a government official. Please provide full disclosure, Mr. Bush, or resign immediately. Our country cannot take too many more of your appointees, or your policy judgment and your "leadership".
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