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Originally Posted by smooth
Well, it would contradict my statement if one could ignore the last sentence. It's wikpedia and usually I would recommend one refrain from posting publicly editable internet information as fact. In this case, however, you including a definition that supports my contention and then calling me wrong is just laughable...the first sentence in your quote is an excellent example of a logical error called an undistributed middle term. All followers of Islam are muslims (this is how the first sentence should be worded--and actually could be changed given it's wikpedia *hint*), not all muslims are followers of Islam (this is incorrect as the following sentences point out that some muslims are NOT followers of Islam).
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How about looking somewhere other than wikpedia...like dictionary.com
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Originally Posted by dictionary.com
Mus·lim ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mzlm, mz-, ms-, ms-)
n.
also Mos·lem (mzlm, ms-) A believer in or adherent of Islam.
A member of the Nation of Islam; a Black Muslim.
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[Arabic muslim, one who surrenders, active participle of ’aslama, to surrender. See Islam.]
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Muslim adj.
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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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muslim
adj : of or relating to or supporting Islamism; "Islamic art" [syn: Muslim, Moslem, Islamic] n : a believer or follower of Islam [syn: Muslim, Moslem, Mohammedan, Muhammedan, Muhammadan, Islamist]
Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
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Um. so should I call The American Heritage Dictionary and Princton University and tell them they are wrong? or will you?
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Originally Posted by smooth
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Maybe I misread the post on the blog you linked to...but the way I read the last paragraph, I understood it to say that it is pointless to have Islam as only a cultural identity
not tied to religion. correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by NMA member
To include "Muslim atheists" defies the purpose of the organisation as I see it and wastes what has been achieved.
There is a fundamental difference between a progressive agenda _within_ Islam and one that sees its purpose in _overcoming_ Islam. If someone doesn't believe in the fundamentals of the faith (the existence of a single supreme God, ultimate judgement etc.), then the only sensible aim must be to get rid of it. What's the point in 'reforming' something that doesn't have any substance? "Islam" as a mere cultural identity is pointless.
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