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Originally Posted by xepherys
pigglet-
They are not the same. You are trying to enumerate something that is generally construed as black and white. There is, in fact, empirical evidence that gravity does exist, as we do not float off into space. The mathematics behind it are moot in this argument.
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Disagree: I would state that what I said above. We observe something, it seems reproducible. We create a phenomena to explain it and give it a name. This phenomena is usually based on a similar phenomena in another field, or an agglomeration of similar phenemena from other fields. I would say that the phenomenon which we have classified as gravity undeniably exists, separate from mathematical expression or text description, etc. As soon as you name it with a static form (gravity) you put limitations on it. These limitations can be played with for a while, after which time the phenomenon will either continue to function as a guiding principle for our knowledge, or else it will be subsumed or reversed, depending on our interpretations of perceptions in the future.
I am claming that phenoma occur in reality, and from these phenomena we seem to derive recurring themes, that seem to be somewhat reproducible. If mankind can be thought of as an experiment, the same basic social behavior seems to repeat itself over and over. We group these behaviors and interactions around principles, and the classify them into various morals and ethics. At least, this is how it seems to me. I think the idea, or the the concept or theory or what have you, of gravity, has much in common with the idea/concept/theory of different morals, at minimum because they share the properties of all ideas, and they do seem to be somewhat reproducible.