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Originally Posted by alansmithee
I'm not calling everyone who disagrees with me racist. I'm interpreting motives by what someone says, the same as you (and everyone else) does. I don't know he's trying to keep blacks down, but based on his replies that's the most logical conclusion. And your hypocricy in this secion is truly stunning.
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Yes, you are. Whenever someone disagrees with you here you accuse them of trying to suppress the blacks or put whites in a position of power, or in some other way accuse them of being racist. Based on his replies, the most logical conclusion is that he wants equality. Equality does not equal putting the blacks down.
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No, my definition of colorblind is different than that of people who think racism is something in the past. It's also different fron the definition of people who don't think that racial equality is something to be strived for.
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Look. It's really very simple. A color blind society is one in which race does not matter. Note that I did not say that it is one in which race does not matter as long as you're white. You've been adding that last part, but that's not how we define it. I'm not out to oppress blacks or anyone else. My goal is a society where people finally stop pissing around acting as though skin pigmentation makes any difference in the worth of a person. We're not gonna achieve that as long as we force people to discriminate based on skin pigmentation, which IS what AA does.
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And as for painting all white people as "minority-suppressing racist monsters", all I can say is that I really know white people well, so this is false. I even have a white friend, so obviously I'm fully capable on talking about white people as a whole and understanding their motivations.
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I assume you're trying to be ironic here, but it's not working - you're shooting yourself in the foot. And if you're not being ironic, then you just shot yourself in both feet.
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(snip)Race relations has nothing to do with AA. AA is built to address economic imbalances between white males and minorites and women, and institutional racism/sexism. That is all. Race relations is another separate issue.
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Oh ok. I get it now. So you're saying that only POOR black people should benefit from affirmative action. If they came from a home where, say, dad was a doctor making $400k per year, they shouldn't recieve any special consideration as far as minority hiring goes. Because see the RICH black applicant is not socioeconomically disadvantaged.
Of course, if that were REALLY how AA works, don't you think "parent's income" would be an item on the pre-employment questionaire?
It's not I that needs to study affirmative action here. . . .
Plus, AA does have something to do with race relations. It's pissing a lot of people off, which is hurting race relations. You can stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes all you want, but the ugly truth will still be out there, and that is that AA is fostering racial hatred.
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And you don't want people to disregard skin color, you want minorites to disregard skin color.
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No, that's what you WANT me to want because then it would further your cause. Unfortunately for you, I don't want only minorities to disregard skin color, I want EVERYONE to disregard skin color.
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What this comes off as is saying that minorities need to shut up and wait while whites get around to truly wanting equality. And while minorities wait for the whitocracy to come around to a true colorblind society, they sink further into poverty.
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No, what it's saying is that you need to stop using racist terminology. Stop bitching about the whitocracy. Even if you were correct that there was one, you certainly wouldn't gain any ground by pissing the "whitocracy" off by sitting there calling them names.
But I for one am tired of being lumped in with the evil white guys. It is not I who have been hurling racist insults left and right in this thread, it is you.
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Although from your point of view, I should be grateful to white people because I'm not on a plantation picking cotton, or being lynched now right?
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I never said that. You seem to be having an awfully good time putting racist words in my mouth. Seems to me you need to have a little diversity training yourself so that you realize that not all white people are KKK members, and not all white people feel as though you owe us something for not enslaving you. Sheesh.
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I will gladly disregard skin color when doing so doesn't relegate those of my skin color to a lower place in society. Disregarding skin color is a problem with those who hold the power (whites) and not those who suffer from the imbalance.
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Again, you are trying to shove 100% of the problem onto one group without shouldering any of the work that needs to be done to address the problem yourself. I know that you feel the white population owes you everything because some of our ancient ancestors enslaved some of your ancient ancestors (not mine, btw - my ancestors immigrated here long after the emancipation proclamation, so I really fail to see how you can possibly lay the blame for slavery at my feet.) No one's arguing that the whites enslaved the blacks. No one's arguing that it was an atrocious thing to do. But now we are at a point where you need to sit down and decide whether or not you really want good race relations. Because if you do, you also need to take steps to meet that goal. You cannot expect us to do it all because we cannot change your apparent attitude that all whites are out to get you.
Now, if decent relations among the races aren't important to you, then by all means keep doing what you're doing, because following your ideas pretty much guarantees that they'll never get any better.