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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Tough. Chances are that white guy didn't care much about diversity in the first place. And there's hundreds of places more than willing to hire qualified white people. The same cannot be said for blacks. I don't care about racial harmony. That's a pipe dream. I care about making sure that if a black person fail, it's because of their lack of ability/effort/whatever and not because they are black.
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Well see you proved my point there. AA is not interested in getting the races to get along, which would be a much better goal than the one it currently has, which is to force discrimination.
It's only a pipe dream if no one's willing to do what it takes to accomplish it.
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How is it unnecessary now? The economic inequalities between blacks and whites aren't much different now than they were in the 1960's.
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Crap. Pure, unadulterated crap. In the 60's you wouldn't see too many black lawyers or doctors or teachers. You'd see black janitors and waiters and porters. Things have improved, immensely. Sure they still have a long way to go but AA is only going to slow that process. You have to get the races to have mutual respect for each other before you can expect them to want to deal with each other. AA does NOT encourage respect.
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In this example, if a business is happy only hiring 25% blacks to meet a quota (and if they are willing to practice minority control of a major population) that's probably 25% more blacks then they would hire without a AA program.
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Aside from your math error (I'm assuming you really meant 100% more blacks) your point is ludicrous. You're now advocating that when blacks outnumber whites the quota system be used to make sure blacks DON'T get their fair share of jobs. You're proving that AA is a broken concept.
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Of course it's causing rage. Where before being white was enough to ensure that you had an advantage, now it might also be a detriment in certain situations.
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Let's try that logic again. It's causing rage because race is being used to deny a more highly qualified candidate the opportunity for the job. And really, it doesn't matter WHY it's causing rage. The mere FACT that it is causing rage is enough that we should try and change things. Racial rage is never a good thing.
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The majority of whites have never been worried about "good race relations". Good race relations to most whites is tipping your shoeshine boy around hollidays.
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What decade are you from anyway? Did you hear the Beatles broke up? It's very obvious that this is a clearly racist statement.
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Good race relations will never be present as long as the concept of "race" exists.
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Uh, yeah, that's exactly what I've been saying. That's what a colorblind society is - a society where the concept of race does not exist.
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And there's already a bigger social problem, in that a black male is more likely to be in prison than in college.
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Really. More than 50% of all black men are in jail? That's fascinating. Care to back that one up with a source?
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I think you would be supprised to find that the numbers of people who think blacks to be innately inferior isn't dwindling anywhere near the level you believe. And I agree that there is alot of misuse of the cry of racism. Like when whites complain about AA, that is a misuse of the cry of racism.
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To the first sentence, prove it. To the bit about misusing racism. . . I'd be interested in knowing your definition of racism.
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Again, it doesn't require steps from both sides, it requires the side with the power to change. Those in the inferior position aren't there by choice.
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That's the chickenshit way out. It does require steps from both sides. For one thing the "inferior position" has to work to change the attitude of the side with the power. Sitting there with your hand out yelling "gimme everything I want because you were mean to my ancestors" is NOT going to work.
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Oh, how the white man's burden weighs heavily upon his sholders. He must simultaneously control the savages, while being assaulted by their nonsense. Makes you yearn for the days when the problems could be solved with a tree and some rope, doesn't it  .
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Again, exceedingly racist. Thanks for continuing to make my arguments look more rational than yours.
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I've never said AA created a situation where skin color wasn't looked at. But without AA, you will have a situation where skin color won't be looked at, because whites will all be in their nice suburbs and go to their nice jobs in thier nice cars, and the blacks will all be in ghettos and continue in a downward economic spiral.
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Then you address those problems as they arise. If a more qualified black guy gets passed over for a job in favor of a less qualified white guy, then you go after the employer in question with everything you've got. Huge fines, etc etc etc. Make it VERY unprofitible to hire based on race. That way we're not forcing businesses to hire underqualified individuals just so they meet an asinie quota, but we're taking care of the race issue just the same.
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There's you "colorblind" society. Whites will get past the race issue by making sure they never come into contact with blacks (this can be seen currently, as the latter half of the 1900's whites increasingly migrated away from cities toward suburbs as blacks moved into the cities).
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Total crap. You're going into this assuming all white people hate the blacks, all white people want to avoid the blacks all the time, and all white people want to oppress the blacks. That's not only racist, it's also total horseshit.
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Again, whites don't complain about AA because it creates unfairness, they complain because they are no longer the sole benificiary of unfairness.
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Again with the racist claptrap. Stop painting all whites with the same brush. That's called racism, and it's not acceptible in today's society.
(edit - - typo patrol)