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Old 09-16-2005, 07:26 PM   #87 (permalink)
martinguerre
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i know i'm budging in on gilda's response...but i just wanted to add.

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Originally Posted by pigglet
I think you are taking an opinion, which may or may not be strongly held in certain circles, and presenting it as fact. edit Or more accurately - I think you are confusing "gender identity" and just straight up gender. I don't think they are the same. As a smartass example, I might psychologically think I'm Mickely Mouse, but that doesn't make it so - no matter how much I really believe it.
The question here is authority. What authority do you recognize to mediate disputes of gender, sex, and idenity? Who decides who Mickey Mouse really is? The patent holder? I could draw something (no i couldn't, but let's pretend i have talent), and a child would recognize it as mickey mouse. Is is someone in a costume? Is it a picture? Is it a video? Is it an idea? Did the true mickey mouse die with Walt Disney?

edit: Go imagine that "this is not a pipe" Or google it. The server had an accident.

Is this a pipe? Is Gwen a woman?

i am strongly committed to the idea that we as human beings have the awesome freedom to determine our own idenities in conversation with the communities that love us. Her friends, her family, including more conservative elders, accepted her as Gwen. They saw that she smiled, loved her life, and was who she wanted to be.

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if Gwen had felt that there was no problem with how her condition would be perceived, she would have told them at some point during the months, or the little baron would flown his biplane out of the hanger at some point. The fact is she held it away from them, precisely because I think she knew that the reasonably would feel that she wasn't a woman.
If you had female genitalia, say an extra vagina, and you in no way idenitified as female...would you use that in sexual encoutners? It's a bad way of putting it, but what i'm getting at is that if this physical remnant of being born male, Gwen would have no reason to use it. By all accounts she idenitified and behaved in very feminine ways. Why would she want to use genitalia that didn't represent her idenity? I'm sure that she was in some way aware that these men would not be happy to find out...but i'm just trying to break the assumption that sex for someone who has a penis has to involve it. If you mentally and emotionally do not identify with it, you won't use it.
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