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Originally Posted by martinguerre
I don't think i really disagree with that...I have no reason to characterize the perpetrators as rednecks, but i would say that errors in judgement occured with all parties. If it were me, i don't think i would have cause to have sexual relations with someone without conveying that kind of information. But as long as we're assuming the morality of casual sex, i don't know how gender transition moves on to the short list of "things you absolutely must talk about before getting it on."....As i think i've implied before, this isn't personal. And i do get it that some people would feel very hurt or upset by this kind of a situation. I don't think that reaction makes a person evil...and so long as they deal with their feelings in appropriate ways, i won't stand in judgement. My question is how much of that reaction is socially constructed? How much do our cultural practices contribute to those people processing what has happened to them as a violation or hurt? Our society on the whole choses to validate the idea that a sexual experience with a person of the same natal gender makes a person gay. Is that reflective of reality? Is that helpful? Does that cause hurt?
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Ok, so I lied
I had to stick around work longer than anticipated, so I chose to respond to this quickly. I did a little cut and paste, and a little bolding.
1. going in reverse order, I think you're 100% correct. Our responses to a certain situation are hugely determined by social surroundings, and moreso the less introspective / reflective you tend to naturally be, or have learned to be. Which leads me to...
2. Realizing this, and realizing the social climate that we live in, I think the approach taken in this type of case to get people to start accepting transexuals is maybe not the best...so I think it's a better option to say something about it up front, or to leave a note that says it or what not.
This situation is kind of a worst case scenario, as far as I can tell. I think if we keep this up, we'll end up agreeing on something, and that's a beautiful thing
Oh, and I feel pretty comfortable calling these guys rednecks, based on the depiction given in the story quoted by
Gilda. I grew up around 'em. I can see people I went to high school doing this. I can see them getting a fair amount of support from the local communities. I can see no one wanting to talk about it. I guess I'm keying off "party shack out in the woods," lots of casual sex with people whose gender you're not really sure of, planning a murder out in advance and then doing it so sloppily, the involvement of ropes (in general), and the fact that they stopped to shove some artery-clogging McD's down their gullets after the fact. It's like a modern day Deliverance movie in my mind.