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Originally Posted by raeanna74
In our swinger circles I know several straight men who have been confronted with the issue of meeting a transexual and engaging in sexual acts with them. None have chosen to do so because they are not comfortable with it 'at that point yet'. Most would not completely rule it out because it is not a reflection on them of their sexuality. The transexual would be playing the part of a woman, often dressing the part, and the encounter in the straight man's mind would be that of male-female intercourse.
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As a swinger myself I'd have to say I don't agree with your interpretation of the males reactions. They are not 'at that point yet' because they are not sure of their own bisexual feelings. A man in a dress with hormone induced breasts may sometimes look female but the dangely between the legs says otherwise. Perhaps their genitals are unimportant to them in terms of their sexuality, but to the rest of the world they define sexuality. If it were truly not a reflection on the other mens sexuality then they would not be so hesitant to proceed. I think you know the touchy subject of male bisexuality in swinging, and its taboo nature. I would place them at 'bisexual curious' and perhaps doing it with a transgender would be less 'gay' to start with.
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I guess what I'm saying is that the victim in this case was not trying to turn the men into homosexuals.
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I agree, he was trying to make them think he was a woman.
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She interacted with them as a female and they recieved it as such. Their egos were all that was 'harmed' and the 'wound' was something that WILL heal. She was not a continued threat to the men and their act was not indefence.
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True, and no one in this thread has justified his murder.
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IF I dated a man who had a physically violent viseral action when he discovered he'd been decieved by anyone I would not stay with him. That kind of man is the abuser.
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I have to disagree with you here as well. You don't quite understand what at least I meant by a visceral reaction. It wasn't visceral at being decieved, being lied too was secondary, it was to being tricked into a homosexual act. Just because he was 'acting' as a woman, does not make him a woman. To many of us who are 100% straight, no bi feelings at all, male homosexuality is revolting. I would feel no less revolted committing a homosexual act than I would doing 'scat' play, necrophillia, or pedophilia. Its something my brain is hardwired to reject. Now many homosexuals will refer to this as homophobia (they tend to refer to ANY rejection of homosexuality as homophobia) but that is not what it is at all. I have no fear of homosexuals, I have no fear of becoming one, I am not repressing my 'gay' side, or whatever else this can get labeled as, its just something I have no desire to do at a fundamental level. Now if someone were to trick me into a homosexual act, you have not just lied to me, you have tricked me into doing something which is against my very nature. This is where the visceral reaction comes from. It is not unlike the adrenaline rush you get when you are attacked, it is fight or flight. What 'he' did at this point is what would determine the outcome. Murder was obviously far to extreme a reaction, and they deserve to be punished for it.