| the question isn't when is violence is okay.  the question is "what authority gives permission for violence?"  i ask the same in greater detail back in the parent thread.
 I believe that the modern state is predicated on the idea that the people give up their right to commit violence, and are given it back in very limited circumstances.
 
 personally, i believe violence to be remarkably ineffective in most situations.  moral concerns aside, it has shown itself to have distinct limitations in creating positive outcomes.
 
				__________________For God so loved creation, that God sent God's only Son that whosoever believed should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
 -John 3:16
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