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Old 09-13-2005, 04:30 PM   #23 (permalink)
shakran
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Originally Posted by raeanna74
Yeah we already count from 1-3 and use time-outs. This system does work as long as we are consistant.
That's the key right there. From reading this thread I'm seeing inconsistancy in your (plural) reactions to the kid. For example, DEI37 said:

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That's definitely what we're trying to do, Mal. It's tough sometimes, but usually. . ..
It can't be usually. Ever. It MUST be always or it won't work. Psychological studies have shown that people tend to respond to inconsistant stimulus more stubbornly than they do to consistant stimulus. For instance, if every time the kid pressed a button, she got a treat, studies show she'd press it until she was full and then stop until she was hungry again. If every time she pressed the button she got an electric shock, she'd quit pressing the button in pretty short order. BUT if sometimes she got a treat and sometimes she got a shock, she'd press it constantly. Incidentally slot machines are designed around this bit of trivia - - - those loud bells and whistles that go off when they pay out are to introduce the inconsistant element so people keep pumping their quarters in.

So to apply that to your situation, you must have the same reaction every time and it must be a reaction that involves consequences that the kid doesn't like.

For example, the kid whines at you that she wants you to get up. Your response was to get up. You have now taught the kid that whining, at least sometimes, gets desired results.

And in the sock conversation. . . Kids love fast food. She whines all morning, and then gets fast food. How is that teaching her not to whine?

You need to establish consequences for her actions and then never deviate from those consequences. Whining = ignored kid. Every single time. Eventually she'll get the idea that whining doesn't accomplish anything and she'll seek out a behavior that does.

And it's gonna take a good long time for this to work - - after all you've been teaching her all this time that whining is a good way to get results. It will take time to unlearn that concept.
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