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pan6467 · 09-03-2005, 06:33 PM

Personally, having let my addiction and ego take me to places where I didn't want to be, I can see how people (especially the poor who are more and more unable to get a good education in public schools, and are further and further away from college as tuitions go up and aid bottoms out) feel they can't make it.

Jobs are shit, wages are shit, health insurance, overtime, any form of benefits are becoming things of the past or totally unaffordable, and heaven forbid you expect to be treated with respect or semi-decent on the job. Yet, we expect people to do it. And to be honest it takes a very strong person to do it, and have people laugh at them, berate them, treat them as inferior and totally disregard them.

And yet we as a society expect these people to go in day after day and take this as they get further and further into debt.

Makes sense to me. Let the poor stay freaking poor and give them no hope..... then any aid we do give them make them feel guilty over, make them feel like they are leeches for wanting to live a decent life.

What we need to do is pump massive amounts of money into education and job training. Instead we leave them poor, undereducated and we treat them as undeserving and that it is their fault. It's bullshit.

Welfare isn't the answer, but it can help when used properly to get people into school and job training so that they can advance.

Give a person a true chance at making the most he possibly can out of his life, then if he/she screws up it is truly on them. But as a society we are judged by how we treat our poorest and how we have tried to help..... and what I see is 1 party throwing blame, cutting anything they can and belittling those that need the help to advance... and another party with good intentions yet they just throw money at it and don't work to better anything, they just feel the money alone will help.

The solution is there and we can do it..... however we have 2 parties so interested in power, being right, not compromising and pleasing their radical (and most vocal) constituencies, they refuse to even truly try to reach a solution.

I was lucky..... my family had money and bailed me out 1 last time.... unfortunately there are too many out there that don't have that luxury and eventually just give up... and no it's not a weakness in character..... It's a weakness in society for allowing that to happen as the rich CEO's make more and wages for the hourly and true labor force decline.

09-03-2005, 06:33 PM	#46 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Personally, having let my addiction and ego take me to places where I didn't want to be, I can see how people (especially the poor who are more and more unable to get a good education in public schools, and are further and further away from college as tuitions go up and aid bottoms out) feel they can't make it. Jobs are shit, wages are shit, health insurance, overtime, any form of benefits are becoming things of the past or totally unaffordable, and heaven forbid you expect to be treated with respect or semi-decent on the job. Yet, we expect people to do it. And to be honest it takes a very strong person to do it, and have people laugh at them, berate them, treat them as inferior and totally disregard them. And yet we as a society expect these people to go in day after day and take this as they get further and further into debt. Makes sense to me. Let the poor stay freaking poor and give them no hope..... then any aid we do give them make them feel guilty over, make them feel like they are leeches for wanting to live a decent life. What we need to do is pump massive amounts of money into education and job training. Instead we leave them poor, undereducated and we treat them as undeserving and that it is their fault. It's bullshit. Welfare isn't the answer, but it can help when used properly to get people into school and job training so that they can advance. Give a person a true chance at making the most he possibly can out of his life, then if he/she screws up it is truly on them. But as a society we are judged by how we treat our poorest and how we have tried to help..... and what I see is 1 party throwing blame, cutting anything they can and belittling those that need the help to advance... and another party with good intentions yet they just throw money at it and don't work to better anything, they just feel the money alone will help. The solution is there and we can do it..... however we have 2 parties so interested in power, being right, not compromising and pleasing their radical (and most vocal) constituencies, they refuse to even truly try to reach a solution. I was lucky..... my family had money and bailed me out 1 last time.... unfortunately there are too many out there that don't have that luxury and eventually just give up... and no it's not a weakness in character..... It's a weakness in society for allowing that to happen as the rich CEO's make more and wages for the hourly and true labor force decline. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"