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Originally Posted by asaris
Just out of curiousity, why does this follow? That is, why should we think that a godless universe would have to only be ruled by natural laws? And why should we think our grasp of those laws is much better than, say, Newton or Aristotle?
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Nothing in human science suggests that anything is random, and so for the sake of argument i accept it to be true. Isnt it safe to assume that in a godless universe (totally devoid of any spiritual beings, souls etc) everything is ruled by mechanics and laws? (with the possible exception in my first post?).
Im going to make a post and see if anyone can come up with a true random event.
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=94278
On Aristotle and newton:
Our grasp of natural laws would be greater than those personas simply because of the huge effort and progress being made since they lived?
Aristotle was among those first people who sucessfully started contemplating how the world works and keeping records of his findings. Most of those findings were outright wrong, or at least incomplete.. that doesnt lesser his acheivements based on what he accomplished in relation to the pre-knowledge he had. He was for sure a great genius capable of understanding.
Newton may have been one of the most intelligent people to ever have lived,
his acheivements are amazing, and while at least his most famous work is correct, it is only correct based on the pre-knowledge he had. More recent scientists (Einstein) have proven his work incomplete or incorrect when factoring things unknown to Newton.
Theres just no competing with the communal knowledge humanity gains?