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Originally Posted by hamsterdancer
People have a constitutionally protected right not to be discriminated against and denied service based upon their ethnicity. People also have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. A private individual infringing upon either of those rights is violating the civil rights of the person being discriminated against. Does the nature of the enumerated civil liberty or the number of the amendment it is contained in affect its protected status?
Where did I say that? What you are suggesting with the gun bit is not violating somebody's civil liberties based upon racism, it's violating somebody's civil liberties based upon hoplophobia. Either way, it's a violation of their constitutionally protected civil liberties. The only difference is your motivation. And the argument for not allowing gays, african-americans, and other groups of people on your property is the same as the argument you present here...that it's your private property, and you can discriminate against whomever you choose to. All you should have to do to see this is change "gun" to "gay" or "african-american" in your argument.
If you open your property to the public and then violate part of that public's civil liberties, you will eventually be called upon it. You do have the option of not allowing guns or gays or african-americans on your property, all you have to do is to close it to the public.
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I am not discriminating against anyone. I simply said you carry a gun on my property YOU WILL leave or the police wil escort you. As a business owner, you have the right to refuse service. If you choose to carry a gun on my property and I throw you off.... then sue me and see who wins. 99.99% sure it would be me, and I would make sure you paid my lawyers fees, and countersue for defamation. I'm not being prejudiced against anyone, I am not saying you cannot defend yourself, and I am not saying outside of my property you can't carry a gun.... but my RIGHTS to MY PROPERTY supercede your rights to have a gun on it. You have the choice to do business with me or not.... if you choose to then you leave the gun outside off my property... if you don't I have you escorted off. Plain and simple.... want to carry a gun... stay off my property.
Racism, sexual discrimination, ethnic prejudiced.... is a far, far, different animal. One cannot help what they are.... however, one does have the option to carry a gun.
Why is it illegal to carry a gun within I believe 500 feet of a school or church???????? Is that not this prejudice and stomping on your rights that you talk of?
You never answered my theatre or Pat Robertson scenarios I noticed, instead you keep equating my choice of not wanting a gun on my property to racism, and other prejudice. I find your argument degrading and if you truly believe this.... then I again reiterate.... this is a prime example of why I would never support CCW, and why I would ban weapons from my business and why I would choose to boycott a business I feel guns should not be allowed in.
There are those that are responsible and respectful, just like smokers, and I hate to believe I would punish the innocent because of the ignorant few who believe they rights can impede on mine.
I'm sure when I have gone to Cedar Point or Disney or a crowded bar, there have been guns there..... but noone has ever brought them to my attention and therefore I live by my naivity and believe what I don't know won't hurt me.... but what happens on the Magnum roller coaster when someone's gun goes off by accident and kills my son??????
What happens when a pick pocket lifts your gun and uses it to shoot innocent people?
Perhaps it may never happen, and perhaps you are willing to take that risk and 100% firmly believe that neither of those or any similar scenario would ever happen.
However, all it takes is 1 time. And I can guarantee if I am innocently riding a roller coaster and someone's gun would go off by accident and kill my son.... I would not only own the park but I would make sure the man/woman who had the gun did prison time... and if not I would make sure through connected friends that that person never carried a gun to an amusement park again.