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Originally Posted by stevo
I'm pretty busy today, and didn't have the time to post, but I just can't resist.
The White House spoke out against it - the guy who lives there is christian
The State Department spoke out against it
Pat Robertson is not a religous leader. he is a broadcaster. He is not on the same plane in the christian community that mullahs are in the islamic community. There is a difference. There's no christian outcry because 1) Many christians do not consider him as a spiritual leader 2) Robertson suggested a state policy, he didn't "issue a fatwa" or "call his followers to arms" or tell people to strap bombs to themselves and kill as many people and create as much destruction and mayham as possible.
Anyone that cannot see the difference needs to really ask themselves which side they are on.
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Lebell, my views on socialist style government vs. a capitalistic style can be
found here http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...4&postcount=47
I see a "pattern" that indicates that where multinational corporations enjoy an undue influence in third world countries, the infant mortality rates tend to be above 25 per 1000 live births. CIA Fact Book shows Venezuela with 22 per thousand, and Cuba with less than 5.....lower than in the US, in fact. It seems similar to the disconnect in logic that I see when discussin Iraq. Those civilians who were killed in "Op Iraqi Freedom", are not "better off" than if Saddam's regime had not been toppled. "Killin' 'em" to "Free 'em", seems hard to defend..........
stevo...your argument seems poorly researched......Robertson's CBN received $132 million in donations in 2004, he is also founder and president of a college that boasts 3000 students. Bush is on record as endorsing his "ministry", being aligned with him politically, "spiritually", and philosphically. These folks are "corporatists" to a man, IMO. Chavez represents everything that they oppose....politically and economically..... Bush "plays" up to the Christian mullahs in the US in a disturbingly similar way to "secular" politicians in places like Iran do, to their "mullahs"!
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http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2001/120901.asp
The article available at the link above was removed by the author of this post because it was mistakenly posted as a legitimate white house press release.
I have posted an apology on this thread at the beginning of <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=93796&page=3">page 3.</a>
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http://www.regent.edu/general/about_us/
About Regent University
The nation's academic center for Christian thought and action.
It's more than a description of Regent University - it's a way of life. As America's premier graduate school dedicated to combining quality education with biblical teachings, Regent continues to produce Christian leaders who will make a difference, who will change the world.
Just a glance at the world class institution makes a lasting impression. Regent has more than 3,000 students in nine academic schools, two campuses and distance education reaching around the globe. From the gleaming beauty and technological sophistication of its facilities to the accomplishments of students and graduates, there's much to be proud of at Regent.
The 31,000-square-foot Student Center on Regent's Virginia Beach Campus, opened in 2003, offers a central location for campus and student services. The building houses the University Bookstore, student organizations and meeting rooms, a cafe/coffee shop, computer lab, student lounge, and offices for the Registrar, Admissions and Financial Aid. The 135,000-square-foot Communication and Performing Arts Center, opened in 2002, includes film and animation studios in one of the most technologically advanced communication buildings on the East Coast.
More than a collection of buildings, Regent produces students who excel in their fields. Recent student accomplishments include the School of Law's victory in the Best Brief in the Nation competition (out of 120 teams) at the ABA National Appellate Advocacy Competition and the Students in Free Enterprise team's regional SIFE championship in competition among 30 colleges and universities. The Regent Moot Court Team also claimed a title, becoming the first school in Virginia since 1988 to win the prestigious William B. Spong Jr. Moot Court Tournament at the College of William and Mary.
All of the many accomplishments and physical presence of Regent in Virginia Beach and its Washington, D.C. campus near the Potomac River are even more impressive considering the school was founded only 25 years ago.
Dr. M. G. "Pat" Robertson, founder and president of the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), had an inspired vision to establish a graduate-level institution that would train men and women for the challenge of representing Christ in their professions. In 1978, Robertson's vision materialized, as 70 students began classes.
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http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories...174331&tref=po
CBN donors are growing as fiscal core of network
By STEVEN G. VEG, The Virginian-Pilot
© March 5, 2005
VIRGINIA BEACH — It’s not unusual to find Pat Robertson, evangelistic founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, on the air mixing prayer with pleas for donations during his show, “The 700 Club.” In telethons that are a CBN tradition, he calls for God’s blessing and smoothly segues into a familiar pitch for pledges. “We want you to go to your phones right now.”
CBN’s reliance on donations has grown since 1997 , when they accounted for about a third of the revenue that sustains the organization’s operations at its Virginia Beach headquarters.
That dependency could spell trouble for CBN if contributions hinge on the continued on-screen presence of Robertson, the longtime host of the network’s flagship television program. The organization is well aware that donations slumped in 1988 when Robertson left to run for president.
CBN officials say they are not worried about another such financial disaster. They say today’s donors are responding not just to Robertson’s personality, but to the ministry’s expanded services and the charisma of Gordon Robertson , Pat’s son and “700 Club” co-host.
Direct donations from the public accounted for 71 percent, or $132 million, of the network’s stated revenue of $186.5 million during the year ending March 31, 2004 , according to the financial statement that CBN must file with the Internal Revenue Service as a tax-exempt organization. The ministry provided the filing to The Virginian-Pilot late last month.
The second-biggest boost to the ministry is the airtime it is guaranteed on the ABC Family Channel under a provision that dates to the 1990s. Although CBN doesn’t receive any money from the deal, it counted the free airtime as revenue worth $46.8 million that the organization would otherwise have had to pay to get the same time slots currently filled by “The 700 Club.”..........
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http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/o.../21valdez.html
As president, Bush misuses faith
By LINDA VALDEZ
Published on: 10/20/04
The draft report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights says this: "President Bush does not speak about civil rights initiatives often, but when he does he promotes the faith-based program more than any other. He has presented the [faith-based and community] initiative as an end to discrimination against religious organizations, using terms such as 'remove barriers,' 'equal access' and 'equal treatment,' which convey that such programs have civil rights relevance. In reality, the program does not remove barriers to discrimination. On the contrary, it allows religious organizations that receive public funds to discriminate against individuals based on religion in employment."
Bush did this, not through the legislative process, but with a series of executive orders. With one of those orders, "the president repealed civil rights policy in existence since President Johnson which prohibits federal contractors from discriminating in employment based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." With a stroke of his pen, Bush made sure that protection "no longer applies to religious corporations, associations, educational institutions, or societies that receive federal contracts."
Bush has also unsuccessfully supported legislation that would have facilitated using federal tax money for religious indoctrination, according to the report. No wonder the Republican members of the commission voted to delay discussion of it until after the election.
(It's on the Web site, though, at www.usccr.gov.)
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http://valleyadvocate.com/gbase/News...?oid=oid:86467
Know Your Fundamentalists
Are they: a) moral b) God-centered c) caring d) intolerant e) anti-intellectual f) homophobic g) all of the above? Next: A look at the voting bloc that may give George Bush another four years in the White House.
by Rob Weir - October 21, 2004
....For Democrats and liberals the broader bad news is that Republicans have moved from being cynical opportunists to becoming, so they claim, true believers. National figures such as senators Rick Santorum (R-Penn.), Tom DeLay (R-Texas), James Inhofe (R-Okla.), and Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) wear their born-again credentials on their sleeves, as do Attorney General John Ashcroft, House Majority Leader Dick Armey, and a certain sitting president named George W. Bush.
An Alabama-based group calling itself the League of Christian Voters (LCV) is busy raising money and registering voters for the 2004 election, with a three-fold goal of electing "Bible believers" to office, supporting "pro-life, pro-family activist candidates," and restoring America's "Judeo-Christian roots." Needless to say, most of those candidates are Republicans.
The LCV has already had some success in Massachusetts. In a special runoff state Senate election last March, LCV candidate Scott Brown upset Angus McQuilken, an aide to Human Rights Campaign head Cheryl Jacques. The LCV and groups like it are even taking aggressive pro-Israel positions to make inroads among Jews, whom they seldom inform that their position is rooted in Christian apocalyptic beliefs and the hope that Jews will be "completed" through conversion to Christianity.
I f one is looking for illogic, it abounds. Despite their obsession with "family values," born-again Christians are more likely to get divorced than mainstream Christians or atheists; 27 percent of born-agains are divorced as opposed to 21 percent of Lutherans, Catholics, and non-believers (in this connection it's worth noting that Ronald Reagan was the nation's first-ever divorced president).
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell continue to make statements that ought to give Christians pause. Most recently, Robertson came out in support of Liberian dictator/mass murderer Charles Taylor, while Falwell blamed terrorism on the public school system, abortionists, feminists and the American Civil Liberties Union. He even ventured to remark that 9/11 was "probably what we deserve" for coddling immorality.
None of this may matter. Until liberals and Democrats learn some God-talk, they have ceded the moral high ground to Republicans. In 1994, the GOP exploited President Clinton's lax morality to capture both halves of Congress. They continue to dismantle the old Democratic coalition while busily building their own: anti-abortion Catholics, fearful (and often racist) white suburbanites and Southerners, nativists, anti-feminists, media moguls and free-market traders. Godspeak is the glue that holds it together. Don't believe it? Name the highest-grossing film of 2004. If you guessed The Passion of the Christ, go to the head of your Sunday school class.
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