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Jinn · 08-22-2005, 06:39 AM

I've always had a problem with the first premise of ID, that we are just "too complicated" to be existant without design. To me, it seems to be a very egotistical view to think that you're-so-goddamned-perfect that you must have been Designed by a higher power. Well, I was watching Animal Planet today, and it made me think back to this thread.

If we're so "Perfect" that it must be design by a higher power, then why are we missing so many features that other animals have? Did he not think about these powers when he designed us? They'd be pretty handy to have.. or wait -- could it simply be that evolution only "naturally selected" for us the things that were absolutely critical to our survival?

The show I watched on Animal Planet was about the Hammerhead Shark and how it searches for its prey. It was a study between the Hammerhead and another shark who have identical features, minus the huge hammer. In explaining the value of the hammer, they showed the tiny little pores on the front side of the hammer. The pores were actually little electrical sensors, capable of picking up electrical and magnetic fields generated by living organisms. They're sensitive up to NANOwatts, which would be enough that they could literally "sense" the electricity flowing through our brain. If we're so perfect, why do we only have 5 senses? Sharks have 7. Damn, we must have been designed by a pretty dumb Designer.

Later I was watching a show on Birds of Prey, and they mounted an optical camera to a Peregine Falcon. The PF is a really neat bird, and I actually attended a day long seminar on them when I was a little kid. They're capable of 200 + mph dives. Well, in this video.. the camera mounted to the falcon was barely able to keep up in a series of dives the falcon made at a predetermined target. They had video of the falcon taking out another smaller bird at 140+, just grabbing them right outta the air. The most impressive was a dive at about 180 mph, straight at the target. At about 10 or 20 feet off the ground, the falcon "pulled up" at 10 Gs, grabbing the target and soaring back up into the sky within seconds. The second run, the falcon overshot the target and did a split-second barrel roll at 150 to keep the target in sight. Now then -- if we're so perfect, why can the average person only take 5 G's of acceleration? Couldn't our blood-pumping system be more efficient?

Now I understand the argument that we're not fish and we're not birds, so we inherently don't need those abilities. But if we're so "perfect," as ID purports -- why do we not have better ancillary abilities? Like the ability to breath longer underwater? Throughout man's lifetime we've had water, and there have been millions upon millions of drownings over the ages. If the all-powerful creator knew this would happen, why didn't he endow us with 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 minutes of air for underwater navigation? Why only give the one or two minutes (average) that we have now?

08-22-2005, 06:39 AM	#48 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	I've always had a problem with the first premise of ID, that we are just "too complicated" to be existant without design. To me, it seems to be a very egotistical view to think that you're-so-goddamned-perfect that you must have been Designed by a higher power. Well, I was watching Animal Planet today, and it made me think back to this thread. If we're so "Perfect" that it must be design by a higher power, then why are we missing so many features that other animals have? Did he not think about these powers when he designed us? They'd be pretty handy to have.. or wait -- could it simply be that evolution only "naturally selected" for us the things that were absolutely critical to our survival? The show I watched on Animal Planet was about the Hammerhead Shark and how it searches for its prey. It was a study between the Hammerhead and another shark who have identical features, minus the huge hammer. In explaining the value of the hammer, they showed the tiny little pores on the front side of the hammer. The pores were actually little electrical sensors, capable of picking up electrical and magnetic fields generated by living organisms. They're sensitive up to NANOwatts, which would be enough that they could literally "sense" the electricity flowing through our brain. If we're so perfect, why do we only have 5 senses? Sharks have 7. Damn, we must have been designed by a pretty dumb Designer. Later I was watching a show on Birds of Prey, and they mounted an optical camera to a Peregine Falcon. The PF is a really neat bird, and I actually attended a day long seminar on them when I was a little kid. They're capable of 200 + mph dives. Well, in this video.. the camera mounted to the falcon was barely able to keep up in a series of dives the falcon made at a predetermined target. They had video of the falcon taking out another smaller bird at 140+, just grabbing them right outta the air. The most impressive was a dive at about 180 mph, straight at the target. At about 10 or 20 feet off the ground, the falcon "pulled up" at 10 Gs, grabbing the target and soaring back up into the sky within seconds. The second run, the falcon overshot the target and did a split-second barrel roll at 150 to keep the target in sight. Now then -- if we're so perfect, why can the average person only take 5 G's of acceleration? Couldn't our blood-pumping system be more efficient? Now I understand the argument that we're not fish and we're not birds, so we inherently don't need those abilities. But if we're so "perfect," as ID purports -- why do we not have better ancillary abilities? Like the ability to breath longer underwater? Throughout man's lifetime we've had water, and there have been millions upon millions of drownings over the ages. If the all-powerful creator knew this would happen, why didn't he endow us with 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 minutes of air for underwater navigation? Why only give the one or two minutes (average) that we have now? __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel