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Originally Posted by Martian
Pigglet - thanks for catching that. I was thinking Ice Cube, but Ice T is what came out. However, I intentionally left out Yella and Ren, focussing on the three who are more well known post-NWA.
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I just thought it was funny, not meaning to sound "high browed," particularly when discussing N.W.A. I've actually always though that it was pretty funny that two of the "founders" of modern rap had such...benign and sort of cheesy names. Ice T and Ice Cube?
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Originally Posted by Martian
And finally, on topic : I always considered the word gay as an insult to be a sign of immaturity.
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Originally Posted by Gilda
"This test is so gay," or "Pirates are so retarded." It behooves us to help them to understand that using the first two in that way is an implicit display of bigotry. I don't put up with that in my home or my class. It's also poor usage, which it is my job to correct anyway.
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I think the issue of the relative maturity of using these terms in this way, from the first quote, is entirely accurate, but also potentially hypocritical. I'm guessing that none of us actually speaks in completely erudite fashion at all times, sounding as though we lying on sofas bantering philosophy with Plato and Friends. If this correct, then my guess is that the use of these terms is no more offensive then a myriad of terms we commonly use every day. What I find interesting is the question of whether or not we want to leave all mention of ethnicity, culture, sexual orientation, etc - outside of our euphemistic descriptive terms? Does that type of exclusion create a bigger barrier or decrease it? Not being rhetorical...I don't mean obvious, overt bigotry, or mean spirited commentary. Do we encourage or discourage discussion of our differences by kidding each other about our various social involvements and interractions, etc? I think there's something to be said for not tippy-toeing around our differences, and perhaps embracing them in "off-color" humor.