Originally Posted by host

Seaver, I've posted all of the following to your attention, before. You have never attempted to rebut the documentation that I have shared with you, and you continue to make unsubstantiated claims about what other executives and legislators of foreign western countries "believed" before Bush pushed forward, invading Iraq without seeking the final UN resolution that he had promised the American people that he would obtain before going to war.

I do not expect to convince you of anything, but I make this continuing effort in an attempt to expose your arguments for what they are..... I'll leave it to other members to consider what you've posted, versus the following record of events. As far as "staying the course" in Iraq.....it's over....even Republican senators are coming to that conclusion. No son of mine, or of any other American is worth sacraficing for Bush's "noble" cause in Iraq, because he refuses to honestly discuss what that "cause" is, and why it is worth more U.S. casualties.

Seaver, in 2001, George Tenet, Colin Powell, and Condi Rice, all were on record stating that Saddam posed no threat to his neighbors and was seriously weakened militarily by the 1991 Gulf War, that he had not rebuilt his military capability, and that the "no fly zone" was effective in subduing Iraq as a threat for the past decade. I submit that any change in the perceptions of leaders of other countries regarding the status of Saddam's WMD programs and stockpiles, after 2001 was a result to the Bush admin. propaganda campaign to "fix the facts" around the policy, as the May 2005 revelation of the July 2002 secret UK "Dowing Street Memo", disclosed to all of us.

I knew that, despite what Bush and his cohorts starting repeating about the "new" threat of Iraqi WMD, in the summer, fall, and winter of 2002, that the prior administration statements and reports contradicted what Bush and Cheney started saying, and if you wanted to, Seaver, you could have known it, too.............








C'mon.....Seaver. I put in the effort, time and again, to post the documentation that has impressed me enough to influence the political stances that I take. I hope that my efforts here will bring a better understanding to those who are seeking pieces of the puzzle of the US foreign policy "riddle" of the past four years that they may have missed. I won't deny that I am encouraged by finding myself on the accurate side of most of what has unfolded. What can you share, and where do you get your information. Restore your own crediblity, back up the points in your posts with references to credible, third party sources, please!