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Originally Posted by pennywise121
i am completely open to the possibility that i am missing the subtle distinction, but isnt what you just said a sort of "A but not A"? it both entails and does not entail the action?
furthermore, if the truth of a proposition (that in itself is an action) is necessary, but the completion of the proposition is not, we are stuck with a conflict. we cannot have a situation where it is true that we drank a cup of coffee this morning, but we didnt actually drink that cup of coffee. either the action happened, or the proposition was faulty.
meh, anyway, dont want to thread-jack this off topic. sorry
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An analogy which I have seen to illustrate the difference goes something like this:
Bob is a bachelor.
A bachelor is necessarily unmarried.
Therefore...
Poor bob! He can never get married!
The fallacy is obvious in this example. I believe that asaris is suggesting that the free will misconception is based on a similar confusion (correct me if I am wrong asaris).