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Originally Posted by meembo
I object to Pacifier's portrayal of the situation as ..."They died for the stupidity of their own nation and the desire of the USA to show the world and Russia in particular what new toy they have." The bombs ended a bloody war. The Japanese were fighting for what they assumed to be their very existence. The defense of their country and empire was fanatical. In this discussion as a German, Pacifier has a unique responsibility for at least disclaiming what the belligerent government of his forefathers did to emboil the world (and a very isolationist USA) in a second world war. I defend my country as a liberator and a peacemaker in World War II. I have plenty of criticism of my country in the present tense, but IMHO Germans and Japanese historians cannot take enough blame for what happened to their countries in the 1940s.
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So, because I'm a german I have no right to criticise the US?
You see, we germans accept our guilt, well most of us. We accept our mission that history gave us to prevent these things from happening again. We don't glorify our history or deny our errors.
All you americans do is to repeat this mantra of denial, "but we safed lives", which is BS.
Japan would have surrendered without the Bombs, that not the optinion of an "armchair general":
Some have claimed that the Japanese were already essentially defeated, and therefore use of the bombs was unnecessary. General Dwight D. Eisenhower so advised the Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson, in July of 1945. [12] The highest-ranking officer in the Pacific Theater, General Douglas MacArthur, was not consulted beforehand, but said afterward that there was no military justification for the bombings. The same opinion was expressed by Fleet Admiral William Leahy (the Chief of Staff to the President), General Carl Spaatz (commander of the U.S. Strategic Air Forces in the Pacific), and Brigadier General Carter Clarke (the military intelligence officer who prepared intercepted Japanese cables for U.S. officials) [13]; Major General Curtis LeMay [14]; and Admiral Ernest King, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations, and Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet [15].
Why didn't the US wait for Russia to enter the War? That would have an inpact, without killing 300000 people instantly?
Why did the US drop the second bomb shorty after the first without giving the Japanese time to realise what had happened?
america needs to develop something that is called "vergangenheitsbewältigung" (coming to terms with the past), a german word that describes a critical hindsight of the past.
But america has become a religion with historical dogmas, criticise and you're an unpatriotic heathen.