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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Martin, LOOK at the CONCEPTS of what I am posting NOT THE EXACT WORDS. Again, you are looking way too close to see the forest for the trees right in front of you.
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No need to shout.
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cj posted that if there is a law that says 'breaking this law = this consequence" that's the POINT I am making with mentioning SE Asia and Singapore again. I am FURTHER stating the LOGIC of that point and showing EXAMPLES where it happens in the world. AGAIN THE CONCEPT not the ACTIONS but the CONCEPT since that is what we are talking about.
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I get that. And that's why i'm writing my response. I won't repeat it, i don't expect it to convince you at this point, it seems clear we disagree on this matter. There is not a failure to understand the mechanisms of laws here. My comment is a moral assesment of your attitude towards the relationship of justice and law, not a factual claim on how laws work.
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I did not say that it's not important. I did not say it's not an issue. Please point out on your monitor where you read that because on mine I don't see where I typed those letters.
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Originally Posted by cynthetiq
As far as it not making human rights records why should it?
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As i said, i was open to the possibility that i was reading too much in to those words, but that those were my concerns. I still would like clarification on your original statement. The idea that statistics are manipulated....well, yes. They are being manipulated to ignore some crimes against certain people. Those human rights abuses are not being effectively confronted in the world community as a result. Thus, my concern.
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And I'm going with the BOTTOM paragraph. I am not saying that it doesn't matter that it's against queers, I'm saying that to say,"LOOOK LOOOK how horrible this is because a queer was attacked. This is an outrage" when you don't carry the same outrage for regular people is the challenge.
This is exactly where you and I diverge.
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Don't tell me where my outrage is. i could try to prove this to you, but i don't think it serves anyone to do so.
Where do you get the right to assume that i'm cold to other human rights violations, or that i'm somehow callous to other victims. This is a story that wasn't getting a lot of press, and it was personally meaningful to me. I shared it with this community, to help in my own reflection on it, and to see what other people had to say. i wanted to be grateful that i'm safer in this country than most. i wanted to say i was concerned that people were still being victimized for their orientation.
None of this rules out concern for other cases...and i just don't know where in the blazes you get the idea i don't care. if i knew that another category of human rights abuses was being ignored as systematically, i'd be first in line to make that known, too. i know about this because i have an interest in queer related news, and saw the story. that's why i brought it here...because that was something i could contribute to the collective discussion of this community. why that turns things around so that i have to prove my level of interest in other human rights concerns...wtf?