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Originally Posted by martinguerre
Understood...and i wrote that i suspected that very response. My reply to that was simply to reaffirm that state sponsored judgments do not cancel the moral responsbility of the individual to decide what laws to follow. the law does not aquire justice simply because it is a law.
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And if you read in my previous post that I look at morality from all angles that I can see, religious, societal, and government. (if I'm missing one.. please let me know) As Gilda stated and I agreed, there is no ultimate arbiter for morality. It's like the old saying, what is pornography? I know it when I see it. The same statement can be about imorality. What is immoral? I know it when I see it.
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I forget the title, but a thread was posted about hetero advocacy groups for incest and child/adult sex. You want me to bring the number of hetero acts of child abuse up every time straight idenity comes up? Or can we both say that child abusers of any orientation are pariahs to civilized society and should be dealt with by the legal and medical system as best we know how? C'mon. Give me a break. You don't really think that there is a link between adult consenual homosexual actions and child molestation? Do you?
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No, my point there is that this is an organization that has history of existence. It has history of claiming that it's being squelched for it's beliefs. Our country says 18 is age of consent, but there are other countries where 12-16 is just fine. Again, we butt heads on where the morality comes from....
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with the minimum value of respect for life and peaceful co-existance, i support free speech by all parties. But actions that shatter that, such as state sponsored murder....cannot be tolerated in the same fashion. this is my point about human rights violations. at a certain standard, the idea of toleration is consent for others to commit abuses. and while we might tolerate some level of disagreable actions in the name of respect, there are some that we simply cannot ignore. murder of innocent civilians tends to fit the bill...an action so beyond our conceptions of civilized life that to tolerate is unthinkable.
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I don't disagree with you on the murder of innocent civilians, but I disagree with the fact that you feel the need to distinguish an innocent gay person being killed vs. a person being killed. A homosexual being mugged vs someone that was mugged. The only thing that matters really is that an innocent person was minding their own business and was assaulted or killed, not what their skin color is or sexual orientation.
While there are very much so issues with the gay community where there is legitimate gay bashing I deplore the fact that one has put thier agenda and spin. I dislike it when blacks do it here in NYC or any group or location that is using it to gain extra noteriety for their cause or agenda at the expense of someone who was violated or assaulted.
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