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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
No I would not recognize them "reinstituting slavery" that on it's face is absurd. As things go throught the political process I do not sit idle. I contact my representatives on a monthly if not weekly basis to give them my opinion on how I feel they should represent me.
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Understood...and i wrote that i suspected that very response. My reply to that was simply to reaffirm that state sponsored judgments do not cancel the moral responsbility of the individual to decide what laws to follow. the law does not aquire justice simply because it is a law.
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As far as the pedophilia canard, then why does is NAMBLA allowed to exist at all if it's not a legitimate belief and moral point to hold? Homosexual acts there... pedophilia there... seems to me on it's face it falls into EXACTLY the same square hole your peg fits into.
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I forget the title, but a thread was posted about hetero advocacy groups for incest and child/adult sex. You want me to bring the number of hetero acts of child abuse up every time straight idenity comes up? Or can we both say that child abusers of any orientation are pariahs to civilized society and should be dealt with by the legal and medical system as best we know how? C'mon. Give me a break. You don't really think that there is a link between adult consenual homosexual actions and child molestation? Do you?
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The basis for all my arguments so far are that if you expect it one way for your group then it has to be balanced for ALL groups.
My favorite straw man argument is the simple freedom of speech arguments. They are all for it until you say that the KKK and the Nazi's have to have the same rights. I'm glad that a judge viewed it as such and allowed the KKK to have a parade here in NYC. While I don't support them they are guaranteed the same rights as everyone else. Even Al Sharpton recognized it and even stated on record that he supported their ability to march. He understood that making it hard for them was going to eventually make it hard for him. Imagine a black man lobbying for the KKK. Whodathunkit?
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I've been a legal observer for clan rallies before...my job was to record and document any state actions that prevented free speech by either the Klan members or the counter protestors. Happily, the cops did their jobs quite well, and arrested only two people who threw bottles against the klan. everyone else was allowed to voice their opinion that day.
with the minimum value of respect for life and peaceful co-existance, i support free speech by all parties. But actions that shatter that, such as state sponsored murder....cannot be tolerated in the same fashion. this is my point about human rights violations. at a certain standard, the idea of toleration is consent for others to commit abuses. and while we might tolerate some level of disagreable actions in the name of respect, there are some that we simply cannot ignore. murder of innocent civilians tends to fit the bill...an action so beyond our conceptions of civilized life that to tolerate is unthinkable.