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Old 07-19-2005, 03:09 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by martinguerre
while that is one trait of some moden Christian communties, it is historically not the only, or even dominant viewpoint on salvation.

the neo-orthodox that i am, i have to say feelingsmeg is a whole lot closer to the Gospel than the idea of highly personalized salvation.



in short...i think these people have constructed an idol, a miserly and impotent one at that. i don't dare to say that God cannot reach in to every life exactly where they are, or that God cannot love another human being as God's own child. to theorize a god that is as bound as this theology of self-hatred requires...is to worship a dead thing, something that is nothing more than a human creation.

/end thread jack
Maybe but it's not you for you to decide that their interpretation of salvation is wrong, that's tantamount to someone saying that your lifestyle choices are wrong.

According to the Mormon faith, even if you aren't a mormon now, you will be after you die, you are "baptized posthumously" to make sure that you are "saved"


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April 11, 2004
Mormons Criticized Again for Posthumous Baptisms
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
LINK SALT LAKE CITY, April 10 (AP) — Researchers say Mormons have continued to baptize Jewish Holocaust victims into their faith posthumously, despite having promised to discontinue the practice.

"We are very hopeful that we will be able to convince the church to stop," Ernest Michel, chairman of the New York-based World Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, said Friday. If not, Mr. Michel said, his group will consider other options, "possibly legal steps."

A spokesman for the Mormon church, Dale Bills, said in a statement Friday evening that church officials "welcome the involvement of any who seek to resolve amicably the concerns expressed by some of our Jewish friends."

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has long collected names from government documents and other records worldwide for posthumous baptisms. Church members stand in to be baptized in the names of the deceased non-Mormons, a ritual the church says is required for them to reach heaven.

The practice is primarily intended for the ancestors of Mormons, but many others are included, since the church believes that a person's ability to choose a religion continues after death. Non-Mormon faiths have objected to the baptisms.

"Even if they say they want to do somebody a favor, it's not a symbol of love," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean and founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "It's a symbol of arrogance."

In 1995, the Mormon church acceded to demands by Jewish leaders that it stop posthumously baptizing Jews. But Helen Radkey, a Salt Lake City researcher, said Friday that she had found posthumous baptism records for 268 Dutch Jews killed in Polish concentration camps, which she described as a "small sampling." All were baptized well after the 1995 agreement.

Mr. Michel's group asked Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, to intervene. Senator Clinton met last month with Senator Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican and a Mormon, though neither would comment on the session.
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