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guthmund · 07-18-2005, 08:25 PM

Spoiler: Regulus was the first one I thought of when that note popped up. If I remember correctly, they mention him a few times earlier on in the book don't they? Dumbledore implies that the Order can hide just about anybody and hide them well when he's talking to Draco at the top of the tower. What if Regulus isn't really gone?

Second, and not to harp on it, but thing that's really been bothering me about the death of Dumbledore since I finished it Saturday is that she uses the word 'pleading.' Dumbledore 'pleads' with Severus. The only conclusion I can come to, and this should make Shani happy to know that someone else is in her boat

, is that Snape really isn't the bad guy.

Seriously, I've thought about this off and on for two days know...

I think Dumbledore knew he was going to die. I think he knew it well before he went into the cave and that's why he was so nonchalant about the danger. Remember he's already lost his right arm while finding something similiar, yet, in the cave, he jumps in the boat, guides it across the lake, and has himself a drink. Just the casual way Dumbledore handled the cave makes me suspect he probably knew what was going to happen before he even left Hogwarts.

Not good enough? How about on the way back he asks for Snape twice. He corrects Harry (who wants to get Madame Pomfrey, remember?) twice and tells him it's Severus he wants, no questions asked.

Third and this one really cinches it for me. Why did Dumbledore bother to 'freeze' Harry? He's under his invisibility cloak, he's relatively safe. Harry could have easily handled Draco alone. The two of them, remember the one wizard Voldemort feared and the boy who has beaten him 3 times now and lived to tell the tale, could have handled Draco, the two Death Eaters and Fenrir, right? I mean, in the OotP, Dumbledore manages to hold off Voldemort himself and still had a little oomph left to mess with another witch (it was Bellatrix, right?) in the lobby of the Ministry. Surely he and Harry could have held off the four...especially with Draco's confidence questioned.

All of this means that Dumbledore needed to let Harry watch him die and he needed Harry to live afterwards. That's the only reason I can come up with to explain why Dumbledore froze Harry. Snape came into the picture and quickly surveyed the scene. Rowling seems to stay very neutral about Snape when he shows up. The reader isn't all that sure which side Severus is going to come down on, until Dumbledore 'pleads' with Severus. Kutulu, I think, hits the nail square when he says that Dumbledore is pleading with Severus to do what must be done and kill him.

I don't think Dumbledore is coming back, but I definitely think there's more to the story than what's in that single chapter. Maybe Dumbledore has a prophecy of his own that had to be fulfilled to bring down the Dark Lord? That would explain the little tirade he went off on about prophecies when he was instructing Harry earlier in the book. Rowling always seems to have a reason later on for mentioning things previously.

07-18-2005, 08:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	Spoiler: Regulus was the first one I thought of when that note popped up. If I remember correctly, they mention him a few times earlier on in the book don't they? Dumbledore implies that the Order can hide just about anybody and hide them well when he's talking to Draco at the top of the tower. What if Regulus isn't really gone? Second, and not to harp on it, but thing that's really been bothering me about the death of Dumbledore since I finished it Saturday is that she uses the word 'pleading.' Dumbledore 'pleads' with Severus. The only conclusion I can come to, and this should make Shani happy to know that someone else is in her boat , is that Snape really isn't the bad guy. Seriously, I've thought about this off and on for two days know... I think Dumbledore knew he was going to die. I think he knew it well before he went into the cave and that's why he was so nonchalant about the danger. Remember he's already lost his right arm while finding something similiar, yet, in the cave, he jumps in the boat, guides it across the lake, and has himself a drink. Just the casual way Dumbledore handled the cave makes me suspect he probably knew what was going to happen before he even left Hogwarts. Not good enough? How about on the way back he asks for Snape twice. He corrects Harry (who wants to get Madame Pomfrey, remember?) twice and tells him it's Severus he wants, no questions asked. Third and this one really cinches it for me. Why did Dumbledore bother to 'freeze' Harry? He's under his invisibility cloak, he's relatively safe. Harry could have easily handled Draco alone. The two of them, remember the one wizard Voldemort feared and the boy who has beaten him 3 times now and lived to tell the tale, could have handled Draco, the two Death Eaters and Fenrir, right? I mean, in the OotP, Dumbledore manages to hold off Voldemort himself and still had a little oomph left to mess with another witch (it was Bellatrix, right?) in the lobby of the Ministry. Surely he and Harry could have held off the four...especially with Draco's confidence questioned. All of this means that Dumbledore needed to let Harry watch him die and he needed Harry to live afterwards. That's the only reason I can come up with to explain why Dumbledore froze Harry. Snape came into the picture and quickly surveyed the scene. Rowling seems to stay very neutral about Snape when he shows up. The reader isn't all that sure which side Severus is going to come down on, until Dumbledore 'pleads' with Severus. Kutulu, I think, hits the nail square when he says that Dumbledore is pleading with Severus to do what must be done and kill him. I don't think Dumbledore is coming back, but I definitely think there's more to the story than what's in that single chapter. Maybe Dumbledore has a prophecy of his own that had to be fulfilled to bring down the Dark Lord? That would explain the little tirade he went off on about prophecies when he was instructing Harry earlier in the book. Rowling always seems to have a reason later on for mentioning things previously. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.