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Originally Posted by Mantus
Pan you keep saying "If the govenment pays for my healthcare" well it does, a good portion of it. If we had to pay the true price of any medical service, we wouldn't be able to afford anything. The costs keep rising.
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My point is, (and a lot of posts just seem to think I'm talking taxation here and missing):
First let's look at what happened to cigarettes:
Some 40-50 years ago some people decided to put warning labels on cigarettes to curb smoking.
That did not work, the rates went down but not greatly.
So local and state governments started taxing the hell out of it.
Again rates went down but not as much as government wanted, and people started smoking the less tax revenue generating generic cigarettes.
Finally, local and state governments started pass ing laws where you could and couldn't smoke.
The feds/states started suing and won billions upon billions from cigarette companies forcing 3 out of 5 into bankruptcy (American Tobacco, Brown and Williamson, Liggett Myers).
Settlements were made. However, in Ohio for example the money that was from the settlement to help smokers stop went other places. Taft finally felt pressure to do SOMETHING with some of the money (after all the purpose supposedly for suing was to help pay for the healthcare of the smokers).
So now Taft put into place free nicotine patches.... however, yuo have to have insurance.
So in the end all this hoopla over people's health did the government truly care? No, maybe at first but it's all about the money.
After all the laws where one can, after all the taxation, and after all the lawsuits smoking is still done by 20-33% of the population depending on what polls and what research you look at.
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Now let's look at soda, fast food, potato chips and so on:
1. They want to put warning labels on it, "to reduce use".
It won't, but now they have a reason for #2.
2. Taxation will come.
Again use will not go down as much as they want so they have an excuse for #3.
3. Then they'll say the soda companies knew it led to obesity, kidney disease, tooth decay and so on and so forth and sue the Hell out of them, claiming it is for the public's good.
I see that Soda, fast food potato chips or anything really can go the way cigarettes did and probably will not for health reasons but for tax generating purposes.
My argument is plain and simple..... I DO NOT WANT A GOVERNMENT TELLING ME OR TAXING ME ON WHAT I CHOOSE TO PUT INTO MY BODY LEGALLY.
As for universal Healthcare all I am saying is if the government won't pay for my insurance then what the fuck right do they have to tell me how to use my body........ THEY DON'T.
For anyone to see labels and taxing and passing laws against any product that legally can be put into your body and be ok with...... is a person begging government to dictate to them and to everyone else how to live.
I shake my head at those who believe all this is ok...... because eventually it will strike them.