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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv
Here's the condensed version for you:
Novak and Rove were talking on the phone about a column Novak was writing. Novak said that Joseph Wilson, who did a very dubious job of investigating possible uranium sales to Iraq, was married to Valerie Plame, a CIA officer.
Rove said, "I heard that too."
Now Rove is being accused of "outing" a CIA agent.
If you're disappointed that I have not compressed nearly as many words into as few facts as has been done in other posts, there is more here:
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The story in the link that you provided is also displayed in <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpost.php?p=1839416&postcount=18">post #18</a>, just five posts back, on the only page on this thread.
Make light of it Marv, but I did not create the NEPOTISM "OP" to discredit the Wilsons, Rove did. I hope that you never have to go through an experience like the one this "thug" put Joe Wilson through, just because he exposed the lie in the 2003 SOTU address, with the authority and credibility of his past record in U.S. foreign service, and becaus of the fact finding trip that the CIA sent him to Niger for, nine months before Bush delivered the "16 words" in the SOTU address.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines
July 16, 2005
THE NATION
SHADES OF COVER
# The CIA leak case has called attention to the mosaic of lies and props the intelligence community diligently uses to protect its operatives.
By Greg Miller, Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON — Several months after her identity as a CIA operative was exposed in a newspaper column, Valerie Plame had dinner with five of her classmates from the agency's training academy...............
............."Cover is a mosaic, it's a puzzle," said James Marcinkowski, a former CIA case officer who attended the dinner. "Every piece is important [to protect] because you don't know which pieces the bad guys are missing." .....
.....Plame's cover — in which she posed as a private energy consultant while actually working for a CIA department tracking weapons proliferation — was somewhere in the middle of those extremes.
Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said it was unlikely Plame was in danger as a result of being identified. An internal CIA review concluded that her exposure caused minimal damage, mainly because she had been working at headquarters for years, former officials familiar with the review said.
Still, her clandestine career is over, and the outrage among many current and former case officers lingers because cover is something they go to such great lengths to protect.
<h4>"It doesn't matter whether he used her name," Marcinkowski said of the recent disclosures surrounding Rove. "It doesn't matter what her status was. He gave up a piece of the puzzle and he had no right to do it.".....</h4>
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Just 5 days after Wilson wrote his NY Times Op-ed piece, critical of Bush's "16 words", CIA director George Tenet verified that Joe Wilson was right!
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http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affair...r07112003.html
From what we know now, Agency officials in the end concurred that the text in the speech was factually correct - i.e. that the British government report said that Iraq sought uranium from Africa. This should not have been the test for clearing a Presidential address. This did not rise to the level of certainty which should be required for Presidential speeches, and CIA should have ensured that it was removed.
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Read the thread, Marv. Posts <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpost.php?p=1839331&postcount=15">#15</a> and <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpost.php?p=1839416&postcount=18">#18</a>, and this link:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507140001 make the core arguments and reference for the points I attempt to build a thread and hopefully, discussion around.
In post <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpost.php?p=1839416&postcount=18">#18</a>, I posted my opinion in regard to the story you linked. It also appears to me, now that Robert D. Luskin, Roves criminal defense attorney, is the probable "source" of the story. Matt Cooper claimed <a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000978837">here</a> that he was free to discuss his testimony, now that he testified before prosecutor Fitzgerald's grand jury, so it follows that Rove, who has already testified, is also free to speak about his testimony, through Atty. Luskin.
The new complication is that the article you cite may be evidence that Rove broke the "Non-Disclosue Agreement" that he signed as a White House employee. Will the White House enforce the provisions of the President's executive order, covering disclosure?
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<a href="http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_22864.shtml">Karl Rove's Nondisclosure Agreement</a>
.............Executive Order 12958 governs how federal employees are awarded security clearances in order to obtain access to classified information. It was last updated by President George W. Bush on March 25, 2003, although it has existed in some form since the Truman era...........
.............THE PROHIBITION AGAINST "CONFIRMING" CLASSIFIED INFORMATION
Mr. Rove, through his attorney, has raised the implication that there is a distinction between releasing classified information to someone not authorized to receive it and confirming classified information from someone not authorized to have it. In fact, there is no such distinction under the nondisclosure agreement Mr. Rove signed.
One of the most basic rules of safeguarding classified information is that an official who has signed a nondisclosure agreement cannot confirm classified information obtained by a reporter. In fact, this obligation is highlighted in the "briefing booklet" that new security clearance recipients receive when they sign their nondisclosure agreements:
Before confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified. If it has not, confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized disclosure.3
THE INDEPENDENT DUTY TO VERIFY THE CLASSIFIED STATUS OF INFORMATION
Mr. Rove's attorney has implied that if Mr. Rove learned Ms. Wilson's identity and occupation from a reporter, this somehow makes a difference in what he can say about the information. This is inaccurate. The executive order states: "Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information."4
Mr. Rove was not at liberty to repeat classified information he may have learned from a reporter. Instead, he had an affirmative obligation to determine whether the information had been declassified before repeating it. The briefing booklet is explicit on this point: "before disseminating the information elsewhere ... the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified.".............
.............THE WHITE HOUSE OBLIGATIONS UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER 12958
Under the executive order, the White House has an affirmative obligation to investigate and take remedial action separate and apart from any ongoing criminal investigation. The executive order specifically provides that when a breach occurs, each agency must "take appropriate and prompt corrective action."8 This includes a determination of whether individual employees improperly disseminated or obtained access to classified information.
The executive order further provides that sanctions for violations are not optional. The executive order expressly provides: "Officers and employees of the United States Government ... shall be subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently ... disclose to unauthorized persons information properly classified."9
There is no evidence that the White House complied with these requirements ...............
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I have worked hard at researching this matter, Marv. I see it now as a very serious abuse of power and a campaign of lies and smear that reaches deep into the media and out of the mouths of national political leaders.
To his credit, but an overall sad indication of indifference and smugness on the part of those TFP members who may disagree with my analysis, only stevo has attempted to counter any of my points with a referenced and thoughtful argument. With the time I've put in on this issue, and the implications that have already undermined the credibility of the White House, and possibly the security and safety of CIA employees and the hindered the task of intelligence gathering, I think that a greater response by more members, is appropriate.
Again, I would be interested in seeing any credible reports that anyone other than "senior administration officials", and the senators who added the Republican addendum to the July 2004 Senate Intel. Committee report, have made that confirm that Joe Wilson's wife, Valerie "sent" him or suggested that he make a fact finding trip about Niger uranium sales.....anyone?