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Originally Posted by Lebell
This is the condensed version?
Truth is, I've been blissfully without news for over 2 weeks and don't even know what the current issue is.
But I can see that we are duplicating threads.
Merged.
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Welcome back, Lebell....I see your point in merging. I'll just post more examples of Rove's NEPOTISM "OP", to compensate for the loss of the main point formerly displayed in the title of the primary thread.
There is still not enough effort by the press to spotlight or discuss the ongoing Rove NEPOTISM "OP". The situation is still quite contrary to that happening, as some posters on these threads still seem to believe that it is true that Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, aka Valerie Plame was the original "sponsor", or "sent" Joseph Wilson on a factfinding mission to Niger for the CIA.
It "matters" because, <h4>if Rove can "plant" the points</h4> that Wilson claimed VP Cheney sent him to Niger, but that it was actually Wilson's wife who sent him, that Wilson is a liar, his wife Valerie is "fair game", and Rove is a well meaning "whistleblower", only concerned in his conversation in early July, 2003 with Time reporter Matt Cooper, with aiding Cooper in avoiding the filing of an inaccurate news story, since you will then assume that Wilson was not credible or truthful about who sent him to Niger, or about what his findings about uranium sales to Iraq were.
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3158220/
Criminal or Just Plain Stupid?
‘Leakgate’ may be little more than a bumbling effort to slam a critic. Plus, waging holy war from Norway
Newsweek
Oct. 8, 2003 -
......The next day, July 21, Wilson got a call from MSNBC’s “Hardball” host Chris Matthews, who told him that “I just got off the phone with Karl Rove, who said your wife was fair game.” (A source familiar with Rove’s conversation acknowledged the call <h3>but insisted that Rove put it differently: that it was “reasonable to discuss who sent Wilson to Niger.”)</h3> The efforts by Rove and perhaps others to fan the flames after the Novak column has been seized on by critics as evidence enough that the White House was directly involved in a trash-and-burn attempt to slime a critic. Rep. John Conyers, senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, yesterday wrote Rove a letter asking for his resignation, saying that Rove’s comments as reported by NEWSWEEK were “morally indefensible” and an indication that he was part of “an orchestrated campaign to smear and intimidate truth-telling critics.”.....
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Now, Matt Cooper has testified, for 2-1/2 hours, to prosecutor Fitzgerald's grand jury....and...he is free to write about what he was asked by the prosecutor, and what he told the grand jury. Since he testified under oath, it is difficult for me to see the relevance about what has been posted about his wife, father-in-law, or other personal relationships, when viewed in the context of what he will report on this matter. Those who choose to attempt to marginalize his credibility here, seem to overlook that he refrained from using any information about Rove that he had for two years, in any way that impeded Rove.
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000978837
Transcript of Remarks by Matt Cooper and Attorney After Testifying Today
By E&P Staff
Published: July 13, 2005 6:00 PM ET
NEW YORK After more than two hours of testimony before a grand jury today on the Plame case, Matt Cooper of Time magazine addressed reporters outside the courtroom. "It is my hope to get back to being a normal journalist on the other side of the microphones," Cooper said. "I hope to go back to Time magazine and write up an account of what took place here today and my story."
..........So I asked Mr. Luskin if he would agree to the following language, which he did, that: "Consistent with his written waiver of confidentiality he previously executed, Mr. Rove affirms his waiver of any claim of confidentiality he may have concerning any conversation he may have had with Matthew Cooper of Time magazine during the month of July 2003."
Matt and I discussed that once we got this letter. We felt that this was sufficiently personal to Matt. It was sufficient, in Matt's estimation, to cover precisely the conversation that he and Mr. Rove had concerning the article that he published.
And we subsequently came into court. Matt made his statement. In the reliance of this express and personal waiver from Mr. Rove through his attorney, Matt went and testified in the grand jury today.
We're happy to try to answer any questions. Just to clarify, we're not going to answer any questions about the substance of Matt's testimony today, but we're happy to try to answer any other questions that people have.
Q: Does the waiver limit it only to testimony before the grand jury?
COOPER: Yes, absolutely. I am free to talk about what happened in the grand jury room today. And it is my hope to get back to being a normal journalist on the other side of the microphones. I hope to go back to Time magazine and write up an account of what took place here today and my story. But that's something (inaudible) to try to do in the coming hours and days. But I'm not going to do it here, right now.
Just to clarify, for those of you who are not familiar with grand jury rules...all that goes on in the grand jury room is secret, but the witness, him or herself, is free to talk about it. I'm free to talk about it. And I fully plan to. I'm going to talk about it in the pages of Time magazine where I still work..............
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<h3>And now....a new NEPOTISM "OP"...a planted story with misinformation, reported Thursday night by two NY Times reporters, quoting an unnamed source, "someone who has been officially briefed on the matter said."</h3>
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/politics/15rove.html
Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on C.I.A. Officer
By DAVID JOHNSTON
and RICHARD W. STEVENSON
Published: July 15, 2005
WASHINGTON, July 14 - Karl Rove, the White House senior adviser, spoke with the columnist Robert D. Novak as he was preparing an article in July 2003 that identified a C.I.A. officer who was undercover, someone who has been officially briefed on the matter said..........
............Mr. Rove has told investigators that he learned from the columnist the name of the C.I.A. officer, who was referred to by her maiden name, Valerie Plame, and the circumstances in which her husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, traveled to Africa to investigate possible uranium sales to Iraq, the person said.
After hearing Mr. Novak's account, the person who has been briefed on the matter said, Mr. Rove told the columnist: "I heard that, too."
The previously undisclosed telephone conversation, which took place on July 8, 2003, was initiated by Mr. Novak, the person who has been briefed on the matter said.
Six days later, Mr. Novak's syndicated column reported that two senior administration officials had told him that Mr. Wilson's "wife had suggested sending him" to Africa. That column was the first instance in which Ms. Wilson was publicly identified as a C.I.A. operative. ...........
<h3>........The person who provided the information about Mr. Rove's conversation with Mr. Novak declined to be identified, citing requests by Mr. Fitzgerald that no one discuss the case. The person discussed the matter in the belief that Mr. Rove was truthful in saying that he had not disclosed Ms. Wilson's identity</h3>
On Oct. 1, 2003, Mr. Novak wrote another column in which he described calling two officials who were his sources for the earlier column. The first source, whose identity has not been revealed, provided the outlines of the story and was described by Mr. Novak as "no partisan gunslinger." Mr. Novak wrote that when he called a second official for confirmation, the source said, "Oh, you know about it."
That second source was Mr. Rove, the person briefed on the matter said. Mr. Rove's account to investigators about what he told Mr. Novak was similar in its message although the White House adviser's recollection of the exact words was slightly different. Asked by investigators how he knew enough to leave Mr. Novak with the impression that his information was accurate, Mr. Rove said he had heard parts of the story from other journalists but had not heard Ms. Wilson's name..........
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/po...l?pagewanted=2
.............Mr. Novak then turned to the subject of Ms. Wilson, identifying her by name, the person said. In an Op-Ed article for The New York Times on July 6, 2003, Mr. Wilson suggested that he had been sent to Niger because of Mr. Cheney's interest in the matter. <h3>But Mr. Novak told Mr. Rove he knew that Mr. Wilson had been sent at the urging of Ms. Wilson, the person who had been briefed on the matter said.</h3>
Mr. Rove's allies have said that he did not call reporters with information about the case, rebutting the theory that the White House was actively seeking to intimidate or punish Mr. Wilson by harming his wife's career. They have also emphasized that Mr. Rove appeared not to know anything about Ms. Wilson other than that she worked at the C.I.A. and was married to Mr. Wilson.
This is not the first time Mr. Rove has been linked to a leak reported by Mr. Novak. In 1992, Mr. Rove was fired from the Texas campaign to re-elect the first President Bush because of suspicions that he had leaked information to Mr. Novak about shortfalls in the Texas organization's fund-raising. Both Mr. Rove and Mr. Novak have denied that Mr. Rove had been the source.
Mr. Novak's July 14, 2003, column was published against a backdrop in which White House officials were clearly agitated by Mr. Wilson's assertion, in his Op-Ed article, that the administration had "twisted" intelligence about the threat from Iraq...............
<h3>......... But the White House was also deeply concerned about Mr. Wilson's suggestion that he had gone to Africa to carry out a mission that originated with Mr. Cheney.</h3> At the time, Mr. Cheney's earlier statements about Iraq's banned weapons were coming under fire as it became clearer that the United States would find no stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons and that Mr. Hussein's nuclear program was not far advanced.
Mr. Novak wrote that the decision to send Mr. Wilson "was made at a routinely low level" and was based on what later turned out to be fake documents that had come to the United States through Italy..........
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My observations about this timely, "planted" story in the NY TIMES:
1.)The NEPOTISM "OP" is still Rove's, "worn out", but central "smear" of Wilson
2.)In the 1st Quote Box below, Novak told Blitzer that his only source for the info that Wilson was sent to Niger "by his wife", was "senior admin. officials. All news reports that quote CIA or "intelligence" officials, report the opposite,
including Novak himself, lower in the same quote! Note how Novak's source in the new, NY Times "plant", is not mentioned, <b>"But Mr. Novak told Mr. Rove he knew that Mr. Wilson had been sent at the urging of Ms. Wilson, the person who had been briefed on the matter said."</b>
3.)Rove displays his desperation by leaking this "news" from <b>"The person discussed the matter in the belief that Mr. Rove was truthful in saying that he had not disclosed Ms. Wilson's identity"</b>, while using the excuse all this week that no one in the administration can comment on the investigation.
<b>Unless the comments are a leak from an unnamed administration source, "in the belief that Mr. Rove was truthful"</b>
4.)In the middle quote box below, Novak's "outing" column of July 14, 2003, he backs what Wilson wrote in his July 6, 2003 op-ed, "The White House, State Department and Pentagon, and not just Vice President Dick Cheney, asked the CIA to look into it." He also answers his own questions of three months later, as he details Wilson's resume, bi-partisan credentials, and African expertise........
5.)In the bottom quote box, below, Novak is asking questions that he told Blitzer he was asking before he wrote the July 14, 2003 column. <b>"Why was it that Ambassador Wilson, who had no particular experience in weapons of mass destruction, and was a sharp critic of the Iraqi policy of President Bush and, also, had been a high-ranking official in the Clinton White House, who had contributed politically to Democrats -- some Republicans, but mostly Democrats -- why was he being selected?"</b> and <b>"I was curious why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council (NSC) was given this assignment."</b>
<h3>It is easy to see in the middle quote box, that Novak had the answers as to why Wilson was selected to go to Niger....Novak made the case himself! </h3> But....by October, he has a new line in his CNN interview with Wolf, and in his Oct. 1, 2003 column.
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...vak/index.html
Novak at the center of the storm
Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 12:10 AM EDT (0410 GMT)
BLITZER: You mean when he wrote that op-ed page article in The New York Times?
NOVAK: New York Times ... That was on a Sunday morning. On Monday, I began to report on something that I thought was very curious. Why was it that Ambassador Wilson, who had no particular experience in weapons of mass destruction, and was a sharp critic of the Iraqi policy of President Bush and, also, had been a high-ranking official in the Clinton White House, who had contributed politically to Democrats -- some Republicans, but mostly Democrats -- why was he being selected?
<h3>I asked this question to a senior Bush administration official, and he said that he believed that the assignment was suggested by an employee at the CIA in the counterproliferation office who happened to be Ambassador Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame. I then called another senior official of the Bush administration, and he said, Oh, you know about that? And he confirmed that that was an accurate story. I then called the CIA. They said that, to their knowledge, he did not -- that the mission was not suggested by Ambassador Wilson's wife -- but that she had been asked by her colleagues in the counterproliferation office to contact her husband. So she was involved................</h3>
......NOVAK: Let me say one other thing I had in today's column. The person who gave me the original story, I said it was given in an off-handed way during in this conversation and he was not a partisan gun slinger. I said that. I'm not going to go into more description, but I did feel that the idea that this was some kind of a carefully arranged plot to destroy this woman and her husband, as far as I'm concerned, was nonsense. It didn't happen that way, and this kind of scandal that has perpetrated in Washington is Washington at its worst.
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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/r...20030714.shtml
Mission to Niger
Robert Novak
July 14, 2003
Editor's Note: Robert Novak wrote a column on Oct. 1, 2003 in response to the story that began to unfold three months after this column originally ran.
.........Wilson's mission was created after an early 2002 report by the Italian intelligence service about attempted uranium purchases from Niger, derived from forged documents prepared by what the CIA calls a "con man." This misinformation, peddled by Italian journalists, spread through the U.S. government. <h3>The White House, State Department and Pentagon, and not just Vice President Dick Cheney, asked the CIA to look into it.</h3>
That's where Joe Wilson came in. His first public notice had come in 1991 after 15 years as a Foreign Service officer when, as U.S. charge in Baghdad, he risked his life to shelter in the embassy some 800 Americans from Saddam Hussein's wrath. My partner Rowland Evans reported from the Iraqi capital in our column that Wilson showed "the stuff of heroism." President George H.W. Bush the next year named him ambassador to Gabon, and President Bill Clinton put him in charge of African affairs at the National Security Council until his retirement in 1998..........
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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/r...20031001.shtml
The CIA leak
Robert Novak (archive)
October 1, 2003
........This story began July 6 when Wilson went public and identified himself as the retired diplomat who had reported negatively to the CIA in 2002 on alleged Iraq efforts to buy uranium yellowcake from Niger. <h3>I was curious why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council (NSC) was given this assignment.</h3> Wilson had become a vocal opponent of President Bush's policies in Iraq after contributing to Al Gore in the last election cycle and John Kerry in this one........
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<h4>Can anyone post a linked source other than one attributed to "administration officials", or a partisan addendum to the July, 2004 Senate Intelligence Committee report, that reports verfication by a "CIA or Intelligence" source, that confirms that Wilson's wife suggested that he go to Niger, or "sent" him?</h4>
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