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Old 07-14-2005, 07:06 PM   #10 (permalink)
alansmithee
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Originally Posted by Pacifier
Sure, but still we have to try.
I'll start on world unity as soon as my perpetual motion device is finished.

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It not only an unknown unit, it is an artificial unit. Families have biological ties, what ties do nations have, a coloured piece of paper called Passport? What makes the dutch different from the german? language? We also call the bavarians "german" and they only make some stragne noises

Sure, nations have some "historical" background, but even that has changed a lot. Look at Alsace-Lorraine between germany and france, that area has chanced its "nation" so many times that many people still speak both languages. What nation is that area?
Here is part of what I talk about-sure, there are biological ties, but if we really want to save humanity, why should those matter? It's no more valid than proximity for a way of grouping up.


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I don't want to eliminate tribalism, I want the next step. Family is the smallest tribt and from that the tribes have become bigger and bigger when people realised that the differences aren't that big after all. Time to get bigger again, Tribe Mankind.

People always care for those close to them. I care for my family, but I also care for my City, for my nation, for my continent (EU). Why stop at some man-made border?
Again, this sounds good in theory but breaks down in practice. Why stop at a man-made border? Because those borders allow for certain people to be better off than others. There's no mass incentive to. More on this later.

Sadly that correct, G8 and the UN and most other "western solutions" to the 3rd worlds problems exist only to secure economical interests, not to help the people.



Yes, but the sad thing is that there already are enough "outside" threats. If you look at mankind as a whole there is a big threat called "famine" and "poverty".

I know all that is very idealistic, but as I said I belive we need idealistic goals.
The journey is the reward. [/QUOTE]

We need idealistic goals, but we need realistic methods of reaching them. I was saying above that people need an incentive to form units. You mention above that there is outside threats to humanity in the form of "poverty" and "famine". I just got back from paying what many people around the world would make in a month for one meal. There were six in our group, one child who got a pizza that was too big (it was suprisingly big for kids food). He couldn't finish, we ate some, there was still half left. It went into the trash, didn't even bother taking it home. I was also the only one there without a cell phone old enough to have one (although one person there had 2, so there was an average of one per person). All of us have running cars of some sort, ranging from a 92 roadmaster to 03 regal in value. At the restaraunt we ate, in a outdoor mall, I passed a convertible Mercedes, about 5 Lexus, one late-model Corvette, and about 1,000,000 various SUV's. What is my point in all this? Obviously in at least one country, poverty (true poverty) and famine aren't rampant, therefore the outside pressure isn't being felt by everyone.

Until everyone feels the threat in some way or another, there will be no incentive for cooperation. It's sad, but true.
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