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Old 07-14-2005, 12:50 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Much of what you say is true, and I agree with in theory. But it breaks down in practice.
Sure, but still we have to try.

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A nation is tribalism on one hand, but also it's a previously unknown unit of coming together.
It not only an unknown unit, it is an artificial unit. Families have biological ties, what ties do nations have, a coloured piece of paper called Passport? What makes the dutch different from the german? language? We also call the bavarians "german" and they only make some stragne noises

Sure, nations have some "historical" background, but even that has changed a lot. Look at Alsace-Lorraine between germany and france, that area has chanced its "nation" so many times that many people still speak both languages. What nation is that area?

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If you want to eliminate tribalism alltogether, you must work at the roots-the family. The concept of family goes hand-in-hand with tribalism and often the belief in superiority.
I don't want to eliminate tribalism, I want the next step. Family is the smallest tribt and from that the tribes have become bigger and bigger when people realised that the differences aren't that big after all. Time to get bigger again, Tribe Mankind.

People always care for those close to them. I care for my family, but I also care for my City, for my nation, for my continent (EU). Why stop at some man-made border?

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You mention the UN, but as I said before the UN is nothing but a forum for countries to protect their personal interests and form coalitions without need to go door-to-door to every nation.
Sadly that correct, G8 and the UN and most other "western solutions" to the 3rd worlds problems exist only to secure economical interests, not to help the people.

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You want to see the world come together? It would take some greater outside force threatening the world as a whole (and I've read many stories where this scenario is explored, by means of faking some outside force)
Yes, but the sad thing is that there already are enough "outside" threats. If you look at mankind as a whole there is a big threat called "famine" and "poverty".

I know all that is very idealistic, but as I said I belive we need idealistic goals.
The journey is the reward.
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