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Old 07-12-2005, 12:19 PM   #96 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
This was in a facility in the west coast of the US, and was obviously very top secret as Germany was relatively benign to US/British prisoners and we wanted to give no excuse to change this treatment.

Thats exactly the point why you shouldn't go up the "escalation ladder". Would the Nazis have known about the torture it would have been an excuse to put western POWs into KZs.
The terrorists surely dont treat our prisoners fair, but if we do the same we go up one escalation level, giving them an excuse to use even more "dirty tricks". Additionally the conflict becomes more emotional (compare the war agaisnt the western allies and the war again russia) thus making it difficult to come to an peaceful end. I know some of only want to stop when every arab nation is a parking lot, but I'm an optimist. I belive that a peaceful solution, of cource not with Osama, but with the majority of the insurgents, for example, or the "us-haters" in other nations (Saudi Arabia), is possible.

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You don't win a war by planting flowers.
is there nothing between "torture" and "planting flowers"? is your world really that simple?
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