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Originally Posted by roachboy
pan: in the end, i guess the main place that i diverge with you is that i do not see division as a basic problem. i think this divergence follows from basically different attitudes toward the idea of nation--you seem to work from it as a basic operational category: i see it as something that is becoming obsolete and is not worth either saving or worrying about trying to save.
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Wow.................. just fucking wow............... That is one of the most elitist, defeatist, most arrogant things I have ever heard from anyone.
Wow. So because
you see the nation as becoming obsolete, fuck trying to get along.
Trying to find ways to bring the nation together, is useless and shouldn't even be tried, according to you?
Wow................
So when the terrorists come and blow up our buildings and bring nukes and diseases ..... it's ok, because we are obsolete and not worth saving?
Because what you are saying (and please correct me if I am wrong, I truly want to be wrong):
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i see it as something that is becoming obsolete and is not worth either saving or worrying about trying to save
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it goes to follow that there is no use in trying to stop the terrorists, we are obsolete and not worthy of being saved?
Wow....... thank God you are an extremist on the very very far end, but it scares me because I have a feeling we have a lot of this attitude on the Left and the Right. And those are the ones that have some power and refuse to let the parties work together.
On the other hand, it is good that people are awakened to this attitude by the extremists who are in power so that the may lose their power and we can become united.
You maybe right in a way Roach, your belief and the ones similar on the Right side, may in effect start truly showing their agendas and wake the people up to how fucking divided we are and how there are those on both sides that want to keep us divided, for if we start working together, they have no power anymore.