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pan6467 · 07-12-2005, 04:41 AM

I am truly confused here. I'm an admitted Liberal and I truly believe one of the last hippies on the face of the Earth. So I am lost in how my saying the partisan politics is killing us is supported by a righty and my fellow lefties are attacking me like I have no idea what the Hell I am talking about.

Rob Reiner once said of All In the Family that the writers did not want to shove politics down people's throats that's why they made Mike just as bad as Archie in his views.

What we have is a nation that is so torn and so fucking positive they are right they refuse to truly debate. The attitude is "You either agree with me or you are wrong, wrong, wrong".

Look, after listening to Limbaugh Thursday I realized we are so polarized that we're toast. It maybe a defeatist attitude but look at this thread.

I have 1 person posting in agreement with me, and his and my politics are about as opposite as it can get at times. The people who's politics resemble mine are yelling at me, saying I don't understand that "debate, is healthy and keeps us moving forward" and I have the Righties ignoring me (except for Alan).

Debate is very healthy..... but we don't have debate anymore, we have people espousing their views and not giving an inch, not budging, not attempting to even see what the other side is saying. And in all honesty, both sides are so paranoid that the other may make a good point and have to be recognized for it, that a lot of debate gets so far off true topic and onto another issue, that by the time everything is said and done the debate comes down to "yes it is, you ignorant ass" and "no it isn't you son of a silly person." and NOTHING is accomplished but to have both sides turning away the people in the middle.

It's not just Bush who has this "you're either with us or against us" mentality. It's the whole f'n GOP and the whole f'n Dems and if you're in the middle or speak your mind in non agreement of an issue...... you may as well live in Siberia because noone takes you seriously. If you're a Dem. and you disagree on something..... you're a sellout, part of the problem because the "brainwashing" is starting to work on you, not informed enough to truly know or my favorite "not enlightened and still just a young soul that needs to be slapped in a couple lives so that you know the truth."

If you're a GOP and disagree, then you are "brainwashed by the Mainstream Media", not informed, a turncoat, not patriotic and my favorite, "not religious enough, HEATHEN."

I love the fact that my 2 senators Voinivich and Dewine found some balls and stood up to their party and tried to end some of the bullshit. It's sad though because the GOP are making them to be "not true conservatives, turncoats who need to be ousted from office."

Dems are just as bad.

So if someone speaks their mind and goes against the grain, that is what they have to look forward to? Isolation from their party? And you still want to sit there and tell me that these people, who have the best interest of their constituency and the nation, are to be exiled because they spoke out against their party and tried to do what was best for ALL not just for the select.

I know I sound like a fucking Memorex..... but come on people, we are on the verge of killing ourselves simply because we refuse to truly listen to those who break the mold and want to find solutions and not harp on problems, that always, no matter what the issue comes down to, end the same way==> "shut the fuck up ignorant ass", "fuck you son of a silly person" and nothing gets done.

There were many Dems that sold Clinton out, simply because he tried to work with both parties. It's why the Right hated him also. He was charismatic enough and had enough sense to try to find solutions that would work for both sides. And neither side wanted that. Because, compromise and finding middle ground means somewhere you have to admit you were not 100% correct.

And being 100% correct is all there is in politics these days. You are not allowed by your party to EVEN think there maybe another way, that both sides can agree on. If you so believe that there maybe middle ground.... see above..... it's Siberia and name calling for you.... by your fellow partisans. And of course the other party laughs at you and uses you to their advantage........ so your credibility is totally shot.

It's a great game of power the parties are playing and would rather play than truly help the country.

And so the terrorists laugh at us as they know that they have free reign while we destroy ourselves from within.

Stop the patisan politics, stop the polarization.... stop the fucking "I'm right you're wrong, shut the fuck up" attitudes.

Everyone can find the proof they want for their issue because somewhere down the line someone has biased and screwed with the information enough to support exactly what you want said on a certain issue...... sad thing is someone has done the exact same thing for the other side.

Just look at us on this board, because it is a microcosm of the whole (IMHO), the Left beatup the Right, the Right beat up the Left and no solutions are found, just further animosity and division. Those in the middle lose interest and become so disenchanted they don't truly give a fuck.... all they want is both sides to shut the fuck up because they have both sides telling them how stupid they are.

I know I was as big a partisan and one of "the elite" who believed my side was it. And what I realize and Thursady put the nail in the coffin so to speak..... I was no better than Limbaugh or O'Reilly .... I thought I was, but no, the problem is I had become so wrapped up in proving the other side wrong my arguments made no sense anymore, I was just out to prove how right I was and how wrong everyone else who didn't agree was.

The only thing I am 100% sure of now is that the fucking partisan politics and the division has got to end. We are in a critical state and we need to be united and find ways to live together and better our country and world before it's too late.

The terrorists don't give a damn about our politics and they are thriving on our infighting.....

07-12-2005, 04:41 AM	#162 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I am truly confused here. I'm an admitted Liberal and I truly believe one of the last hippies on the face of the Earth. So I am lost in how my saying the partisan politics is killing us is supported by a righty and my fellow lefties are attacking me like I have no idea what the Hell I am talking about. Rob Reiner once said of All In the Family that the writers did not want to shove politics down people's throats that's why they made Mike just as bad as Archie in his views. What we have is a nation that is so torn and so fucking positive they are right they refuse to truly debate. The attitude is "You either agree with me or you are wrong, wrong, wrong". Look, after listening to Limbaugh Thursday I realized we are so polarized that we're toast. It maybe a defeatist attitude but look at this thread. I have 1 person posting in agreement with me, and his and my politics are about as opposite as it can get at times. The people who's politics resemble mine are yelling at me, saying I don't understand that "debate, is healthy and keeps us moving forward" and I have the Righties ignoring me (except for Alan). Debate is very healthy..... but we don't have debate anymore, we have people espousing their views and not giving an inch, not budging, not attempting to even see what the other side is saying. And in all honesty, both sides are so paranoid that the other may make a good point and have to be recognized for it, that a lot of debate gets so far off true topic and onto another issue, that by the time everything is said and done the debate comes down to "yes it is, you ignorant ass" and "no it isn't you son of a silly person." and NOTHING is accomplished but to have both sides turning away the people in the middle. It's not just Bush who has this "you're either with us or against us" mentality. It's the whole f'n GOP and the whole f'n Dems and if you're in the middle or speak your mind in non agreement of an issue...... you may as well live in Siberia because noone takes you seriously. If you're a Dem. and you disagree on something..... you're a sellout, part of the problem because the "brainwashing" is starting to work on you, not informed enough to truly know or my favorite "not enlightened and still just a young soul that needs to be slapped in a couple lives so that you know the truth." If you're a GOP and disagree, then you are "brainwashed by the Mainstream Media", not informed, a turncoat, not patriotic and my favorite, "not religious enough, HEATHEN." I love the fact that my 2 senators Voinivich and Dewine found some balls and stood up to their party and tried to end some of the bullshit. It's sad though because the GOP are making them to be "not true conservatives, turncoats who need to be ousted from office." Dems are just as bad. So if someone speaks their mind and goes against the grain, that is what they have to look forward to? Isolation from their party? And you still want to sit there and tell me that these people, who have the best interest of their constituency and the nation, are to be exiled because they spoke out against their party and tried to do what was best for ALL not just for the select. I know I sound like a fucking Memorex..... but come on people, we are on the verge of killing ourselves simply because we refuse to truly listen to those who break the mold and want to find solutions and not harp on problems, that always, no matter what the issue comes down to, end the same way==> "shut the fuck up ignorant ass", "fuck you son of a silly person" and nothing gets done. There were many Dems that sold Clinton out, simply because he tried to work with both parties. It's why the Right hated him also. He was charismatic enough and had enough sense to try to find solutions that would work for both sides. And neither side wanted that. Because, compromise and finding middle ground means somewhere you have to admit you were not 100% correct. And being 100% correct is all there is in politics these days. You are not allowed by your party to EVEN think there maybe another way, that both sides can agree on. If you so believe that there maybe middle ground.... see above..... it's Siberia and name calling for you.... by your fellow partisans. And of course the other party laughs at you and uses you to their advantage........ so your credibility is totally shot. It's a great game of power the parties are playing and would rather play than truly help the country. And so the terrorists laugh at us as they know that they have free reign while we destroy ourselves from within. Stop the patisan politics, stop the polarization.... stop the fucking "I'm right you're wrong, shut the fuck up" attitudes. Everyone can find the proof they want for their issue because somewhere down the line someone has biased and screwed with the information enough to support exactly what you want said on a certain issue...... sad thing is someone has done the exact same thing for the other side. Just look at us on this board, because it is a microcosm of the whole (IMHO), the Left beatup the Right, the Right beat up the Left and no solutions are found, just further animosity and division. Those in the middle lose interest and become so disenchanted they don't truly give a fuck.... all they want is both sides to shut the fuck up because they have both sides telling them how stupid they are. I know I was as big a partisan and one of "the elite" who believed my side was it. And what I realize and Thursady put the nail in the coffin so to speak..... I was no better than Limbaugh or O'Reilly .... I thought I was, but no, the problem is I had become so wrapped up in proving the other side wrong my arguments made no sense anymore, I was just out to prove how right I was and how wrong everyone else who didn't agree was. The only thing I am 100% sure of now is that the fucking partisan politics and the division has got to end. We are in a critical state and we need to be united and find ways to live together and better our country and world before it's too late. The terrorists don't give a damn about our politics and they are thriving on our infighting..... __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"