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dlish · 07-11-2005, 07:58 PM

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You just proved exactly what I was saying. Civilized nations/people aren't debating if killing innocents is fine. This isn't something that any rational person needs to debate about.

issues are discussed and conclusions are based. most muslims (99.5%) disagree with the killing of innocents. just because a few crazy fundo's think its ok does not mean that the majority condones it. debate is also used to try and change and convince them to think otherwise. its not healthy to have a shoot 'em down attitude like yourself..but each to his own.

'civilised/nations and people' ARE debating the killing of innocents in iraq btw.

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And also, I checked al jazeera, and there was no mention of any arab nation condemning the London attacks.

i meant check aljazeera/arabic media outlets....aljazeera is synonymous for arabic news outlets...but i did some reserach for you...

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muslim organisations that condemned the attacks
AMP Report – July 7, 2005
http://www.amperspective.com/html/london_bombings.html

American Arab and Muslim organizations
condemn London bombings

July 7, 2005: American Arab and Muslim organizations today unequivocally condemned the explosions this morning in central London’s public transportation system that killed scores of people and injured hundreds more.

The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC)

“The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) is horrified by the series of bombings that rocked London’s public transportation earlier today.

”Information as to who is responsible for these latest bombings in London has yet to be confirmed. Regardless of the identity of the perpetrators of this terrible crime, ADC condemns this heinous act in the strongest possible terms. ADC urges the public and the media to proceed with caution.

”ADC believes that the best plan of action to such an appalling attack is for all Americans to come together and offer support to the English people.”

The American Muslim Alliance (AMA)

"We join all people of goodwill in condemning these utterly immoral and heinous crimes. We extend our heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims and the British people.

"We're shocked and horrified by what has happened in London and condemn this wanton massacre of innocent civilians in the strongest possible terms.

"While we call for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators, we also join the Muslim Council of Britain in urging Muslims to help in the recovery effort."

American Muslim Voice (AMV)

The American Muslim Voice (AMV) vehemently condemns the barbaric bombings in London causing death and injuring to score of innocent people.

We reaffirm our principled position towards acts of terror, regarding them as cowardly acts of violence irrespective of the identity of the perpetrators or their motives.

Islam holds the sanctity of human life as Qur'an clearly states: "If anyone slays a human being, it shall be as though he had slain all mankind" (5:32).

Those who commit these heinous crimes are not following any religion or acting as human beings.

Our heart goes out to the families and friends of those who were the innocent victims of today's terrorist attacks.

We truly need to walk away from violence and start moving towards a different path by creating a culture of peace, understanding, acceptance, mutual respect and harmony. We should do everything in our power to break down all barriers and form lifelong friendships.

We all desire world peace and we can achieve it only if all of us start feeling the pain of others. John Wooden says it best, "Consider the rights of others before your own feelings, and the feelings of others before your own rights."

Let us use this tragedy to stand united and say no to the terrorists irrespective of their identity.

Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

"We join Americans of all faiths, and all people of conscience worldwide, in condemning these barbaric crimes that can never be justified or excused. American Muslims offer their sincere condolences to the loved ones of those who were killed or injured in today's attacks and call for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators."

”The Muslim Council of Britain and other British Islamic groups issued similar condemnations of the attacks and urged Muslims to help in the recovery effort.

”In 2004, CAIR launched an online petition drive, called "Not in the Name of Islam," designed to disassociate Islam from the violent acts of a few Muslims. SEE: http://www.cair-net.org/asp/article.asp?id=169&page=AA

”The "Not in the Name of Islam" petition states: "We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him."

The Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago (CIOGC) Chairman, Abdul Malik Mujahid:

"We condemn this brutality in the strongest terms. These attacks are an affront to Islam and to Muslims all over the world including Muslim in America. They are in no way a reflection of Islamic teachings, which order Muslims to preserve and protect life.

“This is why I would like to request all mosques in North America, England and the world to pray for the victims of this tragedy during Friday prayers tomorrow. We would also like to request that Imams offer Friday sermons about the sanctity of life in Islam and the heinousness of terrorism.”

(The Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago is a federation of organizations serving over 400,000 Muslims throughout Chicagoland.)

The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)

“The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) is shocked and horrified at the several attacks on the people of London during the rush hour mass transit. We join everyone in condemning such acts of terror and senseless violence. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their loved ones at this tragic moment. We trust that the authorities will determine those responsible for these barbaric acts and bring them to justice quickly.

“Islam holds the sanctity of human life at the highest regard, and shedding the blood of innocent people is considered most heinous crime. As Muslims we condemn the killing of innocent people for any reason. This is an attack on all of us, and all communities of faith need to stand together in calm and resolute purpose against terrorism, hatred and extremism. We urge the people of England to remain calm. As citizens we also hope innocent people will not be targeted in backlash following this terror attack. Learning from experience after 9/11, we also express the profound hope that civil liberties will not be a further casualty of this tragic event, in the Great Britain or around the world.

“Here in the US, we urge Muslims to remain cautious and in communication while continuing their daily work, to avoid fear and confusion and remain measured in response, and above all, to put our trust in the Mercy of Allah, All-Mighty, which will sustain us during the coming days, Insha Allah.”

The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA)

“The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) expresses its strongest condemnation of the horrific bombings in London today. We abhor these acts of mindless violence that violate all Islamic principles regarding the sanctity of life and the safety and security of innocent civilians. ISNA urges the swift apprehension of those responsible and offers condolences to those who have lost their loved ones.

”Irrespective of the sociopolitical implications, this act violates the Islamic principles of the sanctity of life and the safety and security of innocent civilians.

“Attacking civilians who are going about their daily business is a criminal act that violates Islamic principles, and must be condemned by all Muslims. Our hearts go out to the victims and their families.”

The Muslim American Society (MAS)

“The Muslim American Society (MAS) utterly condemns the heinous acts of terror that rocked the London transit system and killed and injured scores of innocent people. Our most heartfelt condolences and sympathies are extended to the bombing victims and their families.

“We reiterate our consistent and principled position towards acts of terror, regarding them as cowardly acts of violence irrespective of the identity of the perpetrators or their motives. Islam holds the sanctity of human life in the highest possible regard, and the shedding of blood of any innocent person is considered a repulsive crime.

“MAS believes that relationships between people and nations should be governed by universal brotherhood, compassion, tolerance, fairness and mutual interests.

“MAS therefore joins hands with all people of faith and conscience to work for a more just and peaceful world and to condemn, oppose, and overcome those who would spread fear, hatred, and death.

“We call upon our fellow Muslims in Great Britain to provide any and all assistance and support to the much-needed emergency and aid services required for the people of London in their time of hardship. We call upon our government and all Americans to remain extra vigilant, and call upon the Department of Homeland Security to ensure the safety and protection of all Americans from such atrocities.

“We also call upon all Americans, media outlets and government officials to continue to be clear and careful in seeing these crimes for what they are, and not link, nor associate them, with any faith or religion. These are crimes against humanity perpetrated by evil individuals and have absolutely nothing to do with any religion or faith.

“We call upon the Muslim community to join us in our resolve in condemning such brutal acts and to remain steadfast, patient, and take the higher road in face of any possible misguided reactions.

“We again call upon our government to address the scourge of terrorism through a comprehensive approach where the root causes are addressed and eliminated, without unduly relying solely on the use of force.

“MAS and Muslims in America remain steadfast and ready to work hard in order to rid the world from the scourge of terrorism, and are ready to serve as a bridge of goodwill and outreach between our country and the greater Muslim world, where the spread of freedom and human rights will eliminate the space within which terrorism festers and grows.

“In the meantime, our thoughts and prayers remain with those killed or injured in London. We pray to the Almighty to bring peace and tranquility upon all who are in distress or hardship, to grant mercy to those killed, and bring swift forthcoming health and prosperity upon all affected.”

The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC)

“Islam considers the use of terrorism to be unacceptable for any purpose. Any individual or group that claims that these heinous actions serve as a redress for legitimate grievances is dreadfully mistaken. MPAC condemns the exploitation of people and issues, regardless of the perpetrators and their justifications. This assault is unmistakably an act of terrorism, an attack against humanity.

“We at the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) extend our heartfelt condolences to the families of the victims and the British people. As Americans, we are familiar with the imminent and the long-term repercussions of terrorism. Here at home, we stand in solidarity with law enforcement to maintain security, and we have every reason to believe that similar cooperation will take place in London.”

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Leaders of Arab Countries Condemn the Bombing

http://www.memri.de/uebersetzungen_a..._09_07_05.html

Many Arab leaders condemned the London bombings. Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad sent a letter to British Prime Minister Tony Blair expressing his condemnation of "these abhorrent operations that we condemn in the most serious manner possible." [4]

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) issued a communiqué in which he said that he "harshly condemns the abhorrent crimes that caused the death of innocent civilians, and sends condolences on his behalf and on behalf of the Palestinian leadership and the Palestinian people to the families of the victims, and to the people and government of Britain." [5]

Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmad Qurei (Abu Alaa) also issued an announcement: "Whoever is behind the planning and execution of the explosions does not have the right to carry out this kind of crime against humanity. It is inconceivable that there [would be] a logical justification that the human mind can accept for the harming of innocent civilians." [6]

Saudi Ambassador to Washington Prince Bandar bin Sultan also condemned the attacks, and noted that the Saudi people had also "been the victim of terror operations" and that "this criminal attack is a reminder to us all that no country is immune to terrorism." [7]

The media advisor to the Saudi Embassy in London, Jamal Khashoggi, gave a phone interview to Al-Arabiya TV on July 7, 2005 to discuss the attacks. During the interview, he was asked: "Do you feel that people rush to point an accusing finger at Al-Qa'ida, at extremist Islamic organizations, as happened... For instance, if you remember, in Madrid, people there were quick to accuse the ETA?"

Khashoggi answered: "So far, no senior British official has accused anyone. They just mentioned the statement that appeared on a website. But the fingerprints of Al-Qa'ida are clear, particularly given what was said about a suicide bomber. Unfortunately, no one carries out these cowardly acts in their resistance... I mean, we Muslims admit this. Those who belong to Islam nowadays commit these suicide operations. This has been the case in Iraq, in Riyadh, and now we see them in London, after Washington, New York, and Madrid. Al-Qa'ida's fingerprints are clear. Unfortunately, this is Al-Qa'ida's agenda, but once again I want to say that this is the agenda of a minority, and not of the majority, and we cannot let them drag all of us into their agenda."

Islamic Leaders Condemn the Bombing

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http://www.memri.de/uebersetzungen_a..._09_07_05.html

Condemnation of the bombings was also heard from senior clerics and officials in the religious establishments in Arab countries. Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi denounced the bombings, telling www.islamonline.net [8]: "Those responsible for London attacks are criminals who do not represent Islam or even truly understand (its message)." He also condemned the killing of civilians, including women and children, "without differentiating between combatants and non-combatants."

On the possibility that the attacks were an attempt to press British Prime Minister Tony Blair to withdraw his troops from occupied Iraq, Tantawi said: "This is illogical and cannot be the motive for killing innocent civilians."

Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood movement and the head of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, told www.islamonline.net [9] that he condemned the bombings in London: "We were dumbfounded by the grave news which surprised us, and all the world today, about the bombings that took place in the city of London, that killed dozens and wounded hundreds of innocent people who attacked no one and had committed no crime to remove the immunity of their blood."

Al-Qaradhawi described the bombings as "cruel and barbaric black actions that Islam harshly condemns." He also said, "[Even] In an official war, when state armies battle face to face, Islam does not permit the killing of women, children, elders, priests, farmers and merchants, and those like them, who are non-combatants, and whom nowadays we call civilians."

Al-Qaradhawi offered his condolences to the families of the victims, and sent a special letter of condolence to the mayor of London, which stated: "We express our condolences to our dear friend, London Mayor Ken Livingstone, a man of justice who always defends Arab and Muslim causes."

Leading Lebanese Shiite scholar Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah told Reuters: "These crimes are not accepted by any religion. It is a barbarism wholly rejected by Islam." [10]

The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood movement, [11] Muhammad Mahdi 'Akef, condemned the London bombings, calling them "a criminal act that no law, and even no religion, recognizes." The communiqué stated, "The spread of the culture of violence and terror, and the increase in pressure on the international level, are the direct consequence of the lawbreaking, violation of treaties and international conventions, and repression of the peoples by the American leadership and the British government."

The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood movement in Syria, 'Ali Sadr Al-Din Al-Bayanouni, condemned the London bombings: "These are terror operations that harm innocent civilians and constitute a crime against humanity, and we condemn them. Islam completely forbids harm to a life, and sees it as harm to all humanity. The Muslim Brotherhood movement in Syria strongly condemns these bombings, and their perpetrators, whoever they may be, and demands that their identity be exposed and that they be given the most deterring of punishments. The movement calls on the Arab and Islamic community in Britain to awaken and to cooperate in preventing crimes like these, which harm all of society and arouse fear and concern within it." [12]

footnote: it should be noted that al qardawi and tantawi are considered the highest and most respected and well known scholars in the islamic world today.