Mr. M...you ably responded to moose. i won't add anything there.
i think stevo asked :What good is enlightenment and civility if you're dead?
I think the question back is what good is being alive for if you're not civilized?
Burke has the great lines on the subject, which i hardly need quote. Much as i quarrel with the reactionary, i admire his belief in the value of being civilized.
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For God so loved creation, that God sent God's only Son that whosoever believed should not perish, but have everlasting life.
-John 3:16
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