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raeanna74 · 07-11-2005, 01:34 PM

I explain eating meat to my daughter this way.

We do not kill animals for fun. We don't even step on ants purposefully, pull wings off flies, etc. When we eat meat we have obtained it through a process. If I could eat only venison and chicken and obtained the meat myself I would. I eat as much venison as I can.

I do not want animals to suffer. When I hunt I do not shoot to wound and if I have not first killed the animal I will do so as quickly as possible when I find it. My intent is not for it to suffer. If I had a choice to buy a cosmetic product that was somewhat more expensive than a second product but I know that the second product was tested on animals I would buy the first product.

I believe that animals ARE intelligent but that they do not have a certain capacity for compassion and reason that humans do not. To argue that infants are not capable of that is not correct because they have the ability to think. They have not the ability to form it into words for one and they ability has yet to grow to the capacity that adults have. Infants have potential for higher thinking. Animals do not. (I might occaisionally wonder about the Primates but if you follow evolutionary thought you would put them closest to humans in mental ability anyway.)

As for the mentally retarded. The human design is such that these people would have been capable of such compassion and reasoning ability as other humans. The criteria isn't technically INTELLIGENCE but rather that step beyond blind reason and instinct to an empathy for others that animals do not have.

3. We evolved to eat meat. It is natural.
"It does not follow that because something is natural, it is good." No not everything that is natural is good but following the natural flow of things is easier. We are still struggling to "evolve" beyond racism. To ask humans to evolve beyond specisism, I believe, is somewhat beyond our abilities at this time physically and mentally I believe. If you study the design of animals you'll find that some have digestive systems created to process protein such as found in meat. They had teeth designed to eat meat. If they do not eat meat, as animals, they will die. Humans are only just more able to reason and study food to know how to obtain most of the nutrients that we need. The flaw here is that we still do NOT know all that humans need as far as nutrients. Humans cannot yet duplicate the antiseptic/immune benefits of human breast milk. If we cannot do that then who's to say we can create for ourselves the PERFECT meat free diet. I realize many people are vegetarians and manage quite well. I've also known some vegetarians who had numerous health problems even though they had a physician and nutritionist assisting them with their diet.

I must include that I hold to a spiritual aspect to the whole "eating meat" decision so my decision is not based on just the physical aspects.

07-11-2005, 01:34 PM	#130 (permalink)
raeanna74 I'm not a blonde! I'm knot! I'm knot! I'm knot! Location: Upper Michigan	I explain eating meat to my daughter this way. We do not kill animals for fun. We don't even step on ants purposefully, pull wings off flies, etc. When we eat meat we have obtained it through a process. If I could eat only venison and chicken and obtained the meat myself I would. I eat as much venison as I can. I do not want animals to suffer. When I hunt I do not shoot to wound and if I have not first killed the animal I will do so as quickly as possible when I find it. My intent is not for it to suffer. If I had a choice to buy a cosmetic product that was somewhat more expensive than a second product but I know that the second product was tested on animals I would buy the first product. I believe that animals ARE intelligent but that they do not have a certain capacity for compassion and reason that humans do not. To argue that infants are not capable of that is not correct because they have the ability to think. They have not the ability to form it into words for one and they ability has yet to grow to the capacity that adults have. Infants have potential for higher thinking. Animals do not. (I might occaisionally wonder about the Primates but if you follow evolutionary thought you would put them closest to humans in mental ability anyway.) As for the mentally retarded. The human design is such that these people would have been capable of such compassion and reasoning ability as other humans. The criteria isn't technically INTELLIGENCE but rather that step beyond blind reason and instinct to an empathy for others that animals do not have. 3. We evolved to eat meat. It is natural. "It does not follow that because something is natural, it is good." No not everything that is natural is good but following the natural flow of things is easier. We are still struggling to "evolve" beyond racism. To ask humans to evolve beyond specisism, I believe, is somewhat beyond our abilities at this time physically and mentally I believe. If you study the design of animals you'll find that some have digestive systems created to process protein such as found in meat. They had teeth designed to eat meat. If they do not eat meat, as animals, they will die. Humans are only just more able to reason and study food to know how to obtain most of the nutrients that we need. The flaw here is that we still do NOT know all that humans need as far as nutrients. Humans cannot yet duplicate the antiseptic/immune benefits of human breast milk. If we cannot do that then who's to say we can create for ourselves the PERFECT meat free diet. I realize many people are vegetarians and manage quite well. I've also known some vegetarians who had numerous health problems even though they had a physician and nutritionist assisting them with their diet. I must include that I hold to a spiritual aspect to the whole "eating meat" decision so my decision is not based on just the physical aspects. __________________ "Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama My Karma just ran over your Dogma.