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And how is the suffering after-Saddam the US's fault? It isn't US citizens or soldiers planting roadside bombs targetting their own people.
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if you dont see the death and suffering of thousands in iraq as the fault of the US, i really dont think its worth my time. more people have died after the invasion and at a higher rate than during the saddam regime. yes, the political upheaval caused by this illegal invasion IS the fault of the US. anything after that is collaterally the fault of the invading army. there were no roadside bombs prior to the invasion. so ok, saddam ruled with an iron fist, but there wasnt the anarchy that exists today. how can the US not be to blame? and yes, the iraqis are partly to blame for those deaths through roadside bombs, but to wash the US's hands clean and call it collateral damage and blame it on the iraqis themselves is unequivocally wrong.
p.s. and its not just people dying caused by roadside bombs. how many innocents have been slain by indiscriminate US bombing or carelessness.
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I might even give you the Pentagon being a somewhat military target, but how is attacking the WTC any better than attacking trains and busses?
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its not. and im not justifying the use of planes, nor the attack on the towers. im just letting you know that these people justify the attack on the towers because the WTC stood as a symbol of american might and monetary control over the entire world, as well as working with the "the zionists' plot to rule the world". although even within their own circles, this whole idea of killing innocents is questionable. for this reason, some islamic groups hesitated in condemning the 911 attacks initially, whereas the 7/7 attacks were condemned instantly by every islamic society and nation that i know.