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Originally Posted by Dragonlich
Grey2000, I'd say that's a pretty good assessment.
That attitude creates an environment where extreme Muslims living here will feel that their actions are indeed justified. In effect, we are spreading Al-Qaida's propaganda more efficiently than they are themselves.
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Do you think it is appropriate for people in iraq to blame bush for their local terrorist activities? I do. Especially after bush pointed out the how convenient it is that we get to use iraq as a staging ground in the war on terror instead of using the united states. We'll fight them there so we don't have to fight them here. It didn't seem to work for britain, i wonder if it will work for us? I have a sneaking suspicion that it won't. Nothing will work, unless we figure out how to slow the creation of new terrorists. We certainly aren't going to kill them all without becoming just as bad as they are. As far as spreading propoganda for them, well, you couldn't do better than to desecrate the koran whilst indefinately detaining people whose link to terrorism may be tenuous at best. You couldn't do better than to tell them to "Bring it on".
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filtherton, you say that America's hands have been bloody since it was founded. But I'd say that everyone's hands are bloody. That includes the Muslim countries, third-world countries, *everyone*. We are no better than they are, but not worse either.
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Yeah, so everyone is an asshole. Why are you surprised when someone gets punched in the nose? Why do you feel like it's even possible to accept the fact that everyone is an asshole and still expect that no one will get punched in the nose? If you want the violence to stop, eventually someone is going to have to be the better person first.
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Originally Posted by Grey2000
Well I never related my posts to other posts on this forum and indeed I find that most people here are fairly reasoned, but here's the point, the key point that I think most liberals miss, its not who's right, and who's wrong that I'm arguing.
I'm arguing that liberals can't absolve themselves from blame, and in fact should consider what the effect of their (well intentioned, perhaps) actions are.
Unintended consequences.
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What i'm saying is that arguing about what liberals do or do not do is pointless when you aren't actually talking to anyone who is liberal and also subscribes to the particular beliefs that you are referring to. There are plenty of liberals here, and the vast majority have absolutely zero in common with the picture you painted of liberals. What does that tell you about the values and beliefs your are ascribing to liberals in general?