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Originally Posted by alansmithee
How is it opinion? It does affect the father and the unborn child, these are facts.
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While yes, in my opinion it does affect the father.... it is opinion. Does it have any affect on the physicality of the father? No, but if the father is that much involved there probably won't be an abortion.
Is the father going to be able to make sure 24/7 for 9 months that the mother decides not to fall downstairs, abort whatever? No, impossible.
You twisted what I said into what you wanted to hear.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Did I say that we try every woman? Do we try someone for every accidental death?
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You're original statement was very leading to that.
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No, just like accidental deaths, there would be trials to determine if the child's life was deliberately ended. If it wasn't, the woman would go free.
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Ok, so what exactly would be the circumstances you propose to have a trial to "determine if the child's life was deliberately ended"?
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
How am I making up scenarios that wouldn't exist. There were until recently many anti-sodomy laws. And you don't think that there would be anti-abortion laws in the absence of Roe v. Wade? I think you are having trouble dealing with the inherent hypocricy of your argument.
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Making red cars illegal?????
And the sodomy and RvW I covered you chose to keep that out of your response.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Roe v. Wade made it a national issue. Any law banning abortion would be challenged and overturned in less time than it takes me to type this sentence.
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Wrong...... I did the research you must have missed the post where I appologized to Bear but pointed out that the SC does state the state can regulate it.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
It's not about the legality of abortion, it's about taking the choice out of the hands of people in communities to make that choice. Many things are forbidden by local law that aren't necessarily unconstitutional. But because of judicial activism, abortion is not something that can be treated in this way.
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Up until the second trimester you are right, after that the state can regulate.
The original message was "you cannot criminalize abortion" I.E. you can't throw the patient or doctor in jail for performing one..... however, it says nothing about having to have a clinic available in your community. You can simply legislate locally what you consider a clinic. I.E. "A clinic must serve the community in emergency situations only."
There was some activism, but instead of looking for the loopholes and trying to change local laws so that you don't have an abortion clinic in your town, you would rather blame the courts.
Like I said this thread is not about abortion (although I am learning far more about this issue than I ever cared to.) this thread is about legislating from the bench and how BOTH sides do it, just the Right chooses to blame the Left and ignore the fact they want the same thing (Legislation) only different outcomes from the judges.