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Originally Posted by pan6467
That's opinion. I do believe that the father should have the right to be involved in the decision, however, women can and will forever be able to determine whether they want to carry the baby to term or not. No law will ever change that. It's a law that will just be too expensive and expansive to truly enforce.
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How is it opinion? It does affect the father and the unborn child, these are facts.
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They don't usually have trials for accidental deaths, but in this case you are suggesting that we try every woman that falls down stairs, od's or whatever to lose her baby goes on trial and prison? Who would determine? It would be a witch hunt, and be her word against whomever's. And how would you enforce and pay for these trials and prison stays?
Sounds like more government to me than less.
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Did I say that we try every woman? Do we try someone for every accidental death?
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Now you're just being ridiculous and off topic making up scenarios that would never happen.
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How am I making up scenarios that wouldn't exist. There were until recently many anti-sodomy laws. And you don't think that there would be anti-abortion laws in the absence of Roe v. Wade? I think you are having trouble dealing with the inherent hypocricy of your argument.
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Sodomy, what exactly do you consider sodomy? Many states already have those laws (the military does also....in fact by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and some states in the South anything but the missionary position is illegal) on the books and again, it is impossible to enforce. Or are you suggesting we'd be putting cameras in everyone's bedroom.
But, yes if a community VOTES to make something legal or illegal and the state constitution and laws allow for such a law.... then the people have spoken.
There are communities that have made abortion illegal and that's fine.... it is a STATE and LOCALITY issue not a federal issue.
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Roe v. Wade made it a national issue. Any law banning abortion would be challenged and overturned in less time than it takes me to type this sentence.
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And I agree, but what is unconstitutional about abortion? I don't see anything that makes it so or even implies it. It is not interstate commerce, it is not in anyway a federal issue so why is the Right so damend hot to have a Justice that will overturn it? That is legislating.
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It's not about the legality of abortion, it's about taking the choice out of the hands of people in communities to make that choice. Many things are forbidden by local law that aren't necessarily unconstitutional. But because of judicial activism, abortion is not something that can be treated in this way.