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Old 07-06-2005, 02:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Abortion doesn't affect anyone else? It affects both the killed child and the father who had his child killed.
That's opinion. I do believe that the father should have the right to be involved in the decision, however, women can and will forever be able to determine whether they want to carry the baby to term or not. No law will ever change that. It's a law that will just be too expensive and expansive to truly enforce.



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No, just like accidental deaths, there would be trials to determine if the child's life was deliberately ended. If it wasn't, the woman would go free.
They don't usually have trials for accidental deaths, but in this case you are suggesting that we try every woman that falls down stairs, od's or whatever to lose her baby goes on trial and prison? Who would determine? It would be a witch hunt, and be her word against whomever's. And how would you enforce and pay for these trials and prison stays?

Sounds like more government to me than less.



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Originally Posted by alansmithee
So you would be fine if a community voted that sodomy was illegal? Or what if they outlawed red cars? Or what if a community were to ban abortion, would you condemn those who brought that case before the SC?

Now you're just being ridiculous and off topic making up scenarios that would never happen.

Sodomy, what exactly do you consider sodomy? Many states already have those laws (the military does also....in fact by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and some states in the South anything but the missionary position is illegal) on the books and again, it is impossible to enforce. Or are you suggesting we'd be putting cameras in everyone's bedroom.

But, yes if a community VOTES to make something legal or illegal and the state constitution and laws allow for such a law.... then the people have spoken.

There are communities that have made abortion illegal and that's fine.... it is a STATE and LOCALITY issue not a federal issue.

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There's a difference between legislating and ruling that I think you aren't seeing. A judge's job should be to judge the constitutionality of certain laws. If a community makes a law that is not constitutional, then it should be eliminated. However, activists go beyond this-they take outside concerns into their decisions in determining if a law is legal.
And I agree, but what is unconstitutional about abortion? I don't see anything that makes it so or even implies it. It is not interstate commerce, it is not in anyway a federal issue so why is the Right so damend hot to have a Justice that will overturn it? That is legislating.
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