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Originally Posted by shakran
Let's step back a second and look at Moosenose's arguments, because they are a classic example of how the Republicans are whipping the hell out of the Democrats.
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Ohh, yay. I feel special. And NO, NOT in a "short bus" sense.
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He says (paraphrasing all of these) "Other countries don't have the right to interfere with our domestic policy"
So we say "But we're interfereing with the domestic policy of all these countries"
And then he says "You can't have it both ways. Either we can be the world police or we can't."
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actually, I was leaning more towards their FOREIGN policy. I don't give a rat's ass about their DOMESTIC policy, unless it affects their FOREIGN policy and how it applies to us. If the goverment is domestically encouraging their people to chant "Death to America" while domestically providing shelter and funding for terrorists whose goal is to attack the US, THEN it's something that we should be concerned about. If, on the other hand, their domestic policy says "we will all drive on what the Americans say is the wrong side of the road", then it's none of our business.
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Now if you look at that example Moosenose is neatly shifting the topic of the argument while appearing to keep arguing the same thing. At first the argument was about whether or not OTHER countries have the right to be annoyed with the US for crapping out the environment. He didn't think so which is fine.
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Annoyed? Sure, they can be annoyed. If you're annoyed, you don't send people Christmas or Hannukah or Ramadan or Whatever cards. Being "annoyed" does NOT encompass threatening the US. That's no longer "being annoyed", that's "committing an act of war". Subtle distinction there.
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But when we pointed out that we seem to think we have the right to tell those other countries how to run THEIR governments, he rebutted with something that had nothing whatsoever to do with the original topic. Complete shift in argument.
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We have a right to become highly pissed when they commit an act of war against us.
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Now you might be asking why this is important, and it's here that I want to make it clear I'm not singling out Moosenose.
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So, by singling out me specifically at least four times before this comment, you're NOT singling out me? Why am I reminded of an Orwell quote here?