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Originally Posted by alansmithee
And I do think that (most) Republicans use logic and intelligence to develop their positions, and then make it something more easily understood for the masses.
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I see little hope in discussion as well, but not for the reasons you listed. Notice I earlier said that liberals attempt to use logic and intelligence, not that they succeed.
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Are you arguing that conservatives use logic and intelligence to develop their arguments and liberals "attempt" to use logic and intelligence? Or are you arguing that both conservatives and liberals use logic and intelligence to develop their arguments, but liberals make the mistake of using the guise (for lack of a better word) of logic and intelligence to communicate their message to "the masses? Both positions may be equally flawed, but conservatives don't pretend that their positions and logical and intelligent?
Discussions that involve using logic and intelligence are what interest me. I find arguments from either side that require the use of faith or intution frustrating.
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This is one of the things I said earlier helped make liberal arguments less convincing-they try to elevate the terms of discussion, making people engage more fully.
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In itself, that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
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No, the reason most discussion between liberals and conservatives is hopeless for understanding is because they have largely different views on what is indeed good and bad.
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That may be the case...