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Originally Posted by sapiens
Do you mean "effective" in the sense of attracting votes?
Also, just to be clear, Republican arguments/postions are more effective because they don't require thinking and allow their members to follow on faith?
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Yes and sort of. Republicans are better able to distill complex issues into something easily consumed by the average person.
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You seem to suggest that the use of intuition and faith is what makes Republican arguments effective. I've interacted with intelligent and logical conservatives who don't use faith or intuition in their arguments. Do your think that the communicative strategies used by the Republican party to attract voters/support are different from the strategies they use to develop their political positions?
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I also try to leave faith and intuition out of my arguments. But I'm not most people. And I do think that (most) Republicans use logic and intelligence to develop their positions, and then make it something more easily understood for the masses.
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I don't think this is the case, but if the strategies are the same, if liberals use logic and intelligence, and conservatives use intuition and faith, I don't see much hope in any discussion between liberals and conservatives. Any discussion would be like one between a scientist and a creationist.
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I see little hope in discussion as well, but not for the reasons you listed. Notice I earlier said that liberals
attempt to use logic and intelligence, not that they succeed. This is one of the things I said earlier helped make liberal arguments less convincing-they try to elevate the terms of discussion, making people engage more fully. Then their arguments fail on that level because they resort to faith and intuition after they were the ones who wanted to use logic. No, the reason most discussion between liberals and conservatives is hopeless for understanding is because they have largely different views on what is indeed good and bad.