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Originally Posted by shakran
Well when they're continuing to push the idea that Iraq was dangerous (no WMDs) and had something to do with 9/11 (they didn't) anyone who finds it sound and convincing hasn't checked the facts and is only listening to the republican arguments. That's what I'm fighting against.
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Lack of WMD doesn't mean that a country isn't dangerous. Those are two separate things. As for 9/11 connections, there's none I know of with any validity.
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I would and I have. There are several threads in this fourm where I've come out and said something or other the democrats have said or done is utter crap. Don't misunderstand me here - I'm no fan of the democrats. They've got a better idea for what is good for the country but they're unwilling to take a firm stand, make a plan, and stick to it. This wishy washy crap they pull pisses me off no end, as does their unwillingness to defend themselves. Frankly if a viable candidate from any other party than the two major ones were to run I'd be rooting for that one.
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It's mainly the political leaders that I see as being wishy-washy, some of the fringe dem officials and most of their core base seem more than able to hold a view.
And as for them having a better idea of what's good for this country, I strongly disagree (but that's probably obvious)
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And republicans do? Hell even faced with mountains of evidence Bush supporters are still claiming Saddam had something to do with 9/11. They still believe what the president says even though he's been caught in so many other lies.
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The belief that there's this mountain of lies put out by the Bush admin is exactly one of the beliefs I was talking about when I said liberals are as dogmatic as any religion. Even though that has been repeatedly disproven, they hold this belief still and will chant it forever.
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Actually that's where you're the most wrong, and it's the biggest problem for the dems. They're TOO willing to hear the other side. The republicans have grabbed power (again) because they picked a message and they stick with it.
It's not a message I agree with, but it's a lot easier for people to follow a leader who says one thing over and over again and never changes the core message (even when he has to change all the justifications for that core message dozens of time - see "justification for war on Iraq") than it is to follow a leader who vascillates and never takes a firm stand on hardly anything.
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There are just as many mindlessly chanted slogans held up by liberals. There is also little willingness in most dems to listen to the other side. As for leaders vascillating, that's mainly a few dems who have higher political aspirations trying to appease as many people as possible, or just following whatever some public oppinion poll is saying that day.