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Originally Posted by shakran
speaking for myself, Mephisto, it's not that I'm trying to convince Moosenose. I'm refuting his arguments because others might read them and fall for them. One of the chief problems with the democrats these days is that when the repulblicans spread their prevaricating bullshit around, the dems don't do anything about it. Whether it's because they're wimps or because they say to themselves "how in the living HELL could anyone possibly believe this crap? I don't need to say anything against it," the fact remains that unchallenged, stuff like that convinces people.
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You leave out the possibility that people find republican arguments sound and convincing, and democratic arguments silly (when they have an actual argument, and aren't just saying whatever is the opposite of what a republican said). That could be another reason "stuff like that" convinces people.
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You'll notice that while "liberal" is an insult, "conservative" is not. Just another example that the republican political machine is much more successful than the democratic one (not that I think the dems have a machine - they need one, but they don't have it) because the democrats won't stand up and point out the truth EVERY SINGLE TIME a republican tries to mislead someone.
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This is partially true. In some circles, liberal is considered an insult. But I remember reading a story around 2-3 months ago that in print and on TV talking heads are more likely to be identified as conservative than liberal, even when the label would be apt for the liberal commentator, or the conservative tag unnecessary.
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That's not exactly the brightest way to stop them, and I for one do not intend to fall into the "stand by and watch it happen" stupidity phase the dems are going through.
So every time I see lies, misleading comments, false data, or conservative propaganda, I will speak out against it. Not because I think it will convince the spreader of the propaganda to stop, but because it MIGHT help keep more people from believing the BS.
And in this case, the idea that Iraq was justified, or that Bush & Co. did not lie or deceive in order to go into Iraq, is total BS.
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I wonder if you would go to the same lengths to stop democratic propaganda.
One of the main problems I have with how dems/liberals think, is that for all their claims of logic and thought, they don't recognise even the possibility of their views being wrong. Their ideas/slogans/propaganda get elevated to unshakable truths and dogma that any religious institution would be proud of in it's followers. This is also true in many conservatives/republicans, but they have a different approach to how they attempt to communicate. They don't set themselves up as paragons of logic and intelligence; they seem to allow for more faith into following their line.