06-30-2005, 03:49 AM
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Location: Cape Town, South Africa
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Originally Posted by zenmaster10665
Wrong.
You will be required to carry your ID card at all times. If you cannot produce it, you face hefty fines in the first and 2nd instance, failure to pay the fines gets you 2 years in jail..
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That's not what SKY news said last night. Do you have an official reference to the requirement to carry it at all times ?
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From Privacy.org....
Is the card likely to be compulsory?
Yes, but the government has convoluted this crucial point. Government ministers have almost unanimously ruled out the option for legal compulsion to carry a card, as indeed they have generally backed away from suggestions that the police will be given powers to demand production of a card. However, according to answers given on July 3rd, it is likely that the government will require everyone to register for a card. In this respect a parallel has been drawn with the voting system, in which registration is compulsory, but the act of voting is optional.
This prospect was made transparent when Mr Blunkett said in his launch speech "In a Parliamentary answer on 5 February, I ruled out a compulsory card scheme-compulsory in the sense that the card would have to be carried by each individual at all times. As I made clear, any scheme that was eventually approved would not entail police officers or other officials stopping people in the street to demand their card. We are not, therefore, consulting on that option."
Therefore, the government's stated definition of "compulsory" is: "not required to be carried by each individual at all times". Again quoting from the launch speech: "Everyone would register for and be issued with such a card, which would be required for the purpose of gaining access to services or employment".
The government has addressed the matter of issue of cards for children from the age of 5. In its consultation paper it identified 36 possible uses of cards in such circumstances as entry to pubs and sex shops.
What if I simply refused to use the card?
You will not be required to use a card unless you wish to work, use the banking or health system, vote, buy a house, drive, travel or receive benefits. As Mr Blunkett advised Parliament: "The issuing of a card does not force anyone to use it, although in terms of drivers or passport users, or if services - whether public or private - required some proof of identity before expenditure was laid out, without proof of identity and therefore entitlement to do it I doubt whether non-use of it would last very long."
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