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Originally Posted by zen_tom
willravel, you are right, there should be more openess - especially about important events like these - if anything, keeping things hidden or attempting to hold back information is a policy that will often backfire, since people are usually able to see through lies etc.
Now, I've just watched the video linked, these are the points it raises.
1) Pentagon hole too small for 757 and the suggestion that may have been a missile.
I agree that the hole looks smaller than I might expect, but then, I'm not sure what to expect. The impacts on the WTC saw the plane entering the building in its entirity, not leaving any parts around either.
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Well there's more to that particular theory. Right off the bat I have to admit that I am not any kind of trained expert in airplane crashes, but there are some things that make sense. Did you see the four frame video released by the Pentagon, the only video of the actual crash? It was quite disturbing for several reasons. Reason one is that the American DOD released to the world media a five frame video of the crash at the Pentagon. These were broadcast first on the internet, and then made their way to television. The problem with this is that those frames do not show a plane that fits the dimentions of a boeing 757-200, the plane said to hit the Pentagon on 9/11. I found some photos that might help to show the difference in size.
The Pentagon measures 921.6 feet along each external face, half of this distance, marked on the diagram between the central corridor and the upper-left corner of the Pentagon (cyan) is 460.8' . Take this base measurement as a scale and measure the distance from the rear of the plane in the photo (red dot), along the approximate path of the jet (dark-green line) to the impact point. The distance the tail traveled between frames (heavy red line) is approx. 450', which is just short of the originally estimated 465' or 3 lengths of a 757, which is 155'.
So, 450 feet traveled in 1/30th of a second = 13500 feet/sec. = 2.55 miles/sec. = 153.4 miles/min. = 9204.54 mph = 7997 kts. = Mach 12.11
Even if you alter the path of the jet to a direct (90 degree) impact trajectory, (which introduces other unexplainable issues such as intact light-posts and trees, clearing the embankment, not to mention those anomalous hydro spools) you still end up with a final velocity exceeding Mach 6. (sorry to ramble on)
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2) WTC controlled collapse/detonation
I think it's perfectly reasonable to prime skyscrapers for detonation, so as to avoid dangerous toppling scenarios. No conspiracy there.
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Well, it will be a consipracy until they fess up to it.
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3) WTC plane not a commercial liner
This is something I'm not convinced about - some eye-witnesses (out of hundreds, if not thousands) say it was a non-commercial flight - many others may disagree - there's just no real evidence either way - including the footage available. Further, and I'm not sure how to corroborate this, I remember friends of mine mentioning that they had seen the flights on their flight-paths via internet air-traffic-control information sites - these sites may have the information showing the flightpaths on that day - but it shows that either the air-traffic people were fooled too, or that they are in on it as well, or that they were commercial flights, hijacked by terrorists.
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All we have is these peoples words. It is only with other evidence that these reports become noteworthy.
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4) WTC plane with attached pod
I don't know about the pod - not much I can say about it.
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Check out the 'In Plane Site' video about 9/11. It has a lot of video of the pod. Of course, no one know what it means, so we can file that in misc. 9/11 stuff.
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5) Mysterious flashes at point or just prior to point of impact
I don't understand the big deal made about these - I'd pass it off as static charge - Same as you can get when you step out of your car after a long journey. No big deal.
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Possibly. Like the pods, I feel these are neither here nor there until I can see or think of a reasonable explaination.