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What do you call the lines of recruits outside iraqi police stations?
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Lining up outside of police stations and actually performing the duty of one are two very different things. Iraqi police recruitment numbers are way off the mark of what Rice, Cheny and even Bush have bee touting for months.
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What do you call ordinary iraqis fighting back against insurgents?
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Refer to my origional statement. Obviously there aren't enough of them standing up to the insurgents to stamp them out. If there were enough ordinary iraqis fighting back they wouldn't have such a stronghold as they do now. But try telling that to Dick.
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Where has the new iraqi army come from if iraqis aren't standing up to fight for themselves?
The exit strategy is to train iraqis to defend themselves.
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Again, why aren't the numbers higher? As it stands right now, they arent' defending themselves. At least not very well. Why? Do they not want our version of freedom? Do they want saddam back? Do they just not care?
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Why does everyone say this is not an exit strategy?
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Becasue that's exactly what this is. When Bush goes on tv talking about how we need to "stay the course" he's besically saying "I don't have a plan, but trust me everything will would out in the end. Your sons and daughters will keep getting killed but things will just play out." A real exit strategy will set a definate timetalbe as to when the iraqi troops are to be trained, how many wil be trained, when they'll go online, when we wil hand over security of the country over to them so our toops can come home. And iraq needs to have their feet held to the fire to get this accomplished. Becasue as it stands right now, we're just fighting a gurella war with no end in sight. Adn iraq is just sitting there watching our soldiers get killed, not lifiting a finger to help. The faster they help, the faster they get their country back. But why would they want to? We're doing the dirty work for them, all they have to do is just sit back and save their own people. Americans are expendable.
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What do you want, bush to spit out a date that the last troop will leave? How would that help? It would only give the insurgents a timeframe to rest, recoup, and plan for a takeover once we leave.
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Yes. It would help becasue there needs to be a some sort of date of when the handover of security is to take place. This is something that Bush should have thought of before he rushed to war with these guys. But since he had a big boner for war this is but one of the concequences of his actions. The insurgents can wait forever. No matter what we do. We can't stay in iraq forever so eventually, we have to leave. And frankly, they'll probably take over the country anyway so what's the point? Bush is the one who started this never ending war, and he has the balls to go on tv asking me to "stay the course" when he knows damn well he didn't have a any kind of plan to end this.
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We have a plan to turn control over to the iraqi people. They have elected officials, they have a sovergn govt.
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Whose officals are still being executed on the streets. What does that say to the average iraqi? I have a stable government if my elected officials are being killed on the street?
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Their army is being trained not only by US troops, but outside iraq by european nations. NATO is helping to train the new iraqi army.
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I seem to remember when Bush told NATO to pretty much fuck off when he started this war in the first place. America's credibility is in the toilet and all those countries in the world that were behind us after 9/11 are now against us since Bush pissed that unity away with his little illegial war. The reality is, we're the only ones "training" the iraqi troops over there and recruitment numbers are in the crapper there just as it is here.
On the other hand, there's always Poland.