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Originally Posted by roachboy
i offered a schematic explanation earlier in the thread for this, pan, but it was greeted with feigned incomprehension and i reacted by growing bored with the thread.
rove's speech is not about an accurate representation of anything to do with iraq--it is about trying to redraw the line that seperates conservativeland from other spaces, conservatives from other folks, in an effort to find some way to slow the massive leaks in the pollratings of bushworld with reference to iraq.
it was a warm-up act for the charade you will see tonight from fort bragg, during which cowboy goerge will try to same thing.
nothing whatsoever to do with an accurate portrayal of the situation in iraq--but you see this thread as a demonstration that core conservatives operate best in the context of wholly distorted understandings of the war, that their arguments require wholesale distortion to even make sense.
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It's not just about Iraq though, it started before Iraq, it started with Clinton and has gotten truly worse. You have what used to be good politicians selling themselves out on issues they don't believe in and when they try to be true to themselves they get bashed by their own party.
Hell, because Dewine was part of the "ceasefire agreement" on filibusters the GOP went after his kid to make sure he wouldn't get elected into office down in Cincy. There's talk of the GOP trying to find a "more conservative candidate" to run against Dewine himself. And the party is doing the same thing to Voinivich. These are 2 senators that are loyal to the party but chose to be true to themselves, not just rubber stamps for the President and the GOP repays them by working against them?
(I'm sure there are examples of Dems. doing the same thing, but I haven't seen it.)
I guess I don't understand the hatred that drives these people to believe and find nothing wrong with what the Limbaughs and Roves say. In fact they defend it.
And yet, when a Dem like Dean or Durbin say something, there is a howl and they have to appologize. And the truth of the matter is, a vast majority of Dems I know don't condone the hate speeches.
Whereas, the Roves and Limbaughs never appologize nor admit they were wrong or twisted facts. Neo-con supporters (NOT ALL GOP) seem to thrive on it and spew hatred and in forums like this resort to name calling treating those who disagree as beneath them or stating things then when asked to prove their sources ignore the requests or say "do your own work".
Are we not a nation that wants to better ourselves and yet our leaders on both sides (although as stated above one side is far far better at it than the other) are trying very hard to divide us..... one has to ask why?
Both sides want this nation to be the best, to have prosperity and freedom for all right?
I truly don't understand why people who supposedly love freedom and civil liberties go to such extremes to destroy each other, and work to take rights away from those who disagree with them or worse yet, stand there and degrade, denigrate and verbally assault them.
We are 1 nation people and we better start getting along and working for the same common good or we will eventually destroy that which we love and Left or Right will have noone to blame but themselves.